Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

...Did anyone ever consider that President Obama wanted to get badly-needed legislation passed that had been thoughtfully prepared over several months by his administration?

I thought he let Congress prepare the bill to facilitate the process? Wait a minute.....am I defending Obama? I changed my mind. Yeah....right....what you said.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

...regarding the President's qualifications, what he's accomplished in the first six months of his administration (some good and some bad IMHO), and even why he is pushing the healthcare bill at such a pace?

Did anyone ever consider that President Obama wanted to get badly-needed legislation passed that had been thoughtfully prepared over several months by his administration? By doing so he would minimize the fiddling with the content by 435 self-serving legislators and thousands more special interest lobbyists trying to get their clients "taken care of" in addition to--or instead of--the American public?

People might say that the 435 are simply doing "the people's work". But any lucid observer might have another differing opinion...that for the most part they serve the moneyed special interests and have had the people's work low on their priority lists for years. For me, I just as soon have a thoughtfully prepared bill that avoids that sort of manipulation by the "electeds", who haven't maintained our trust in years, driven by their wealthy lobbyist backers. Even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it. Pushing for a timely up-or-down vote on a thoughtfully-prepared bill is totally consistent with our Constitution, and in this case smart politics.

Just a slightly different point-of-view.

If the bill is "thoughtfully prepared" but needs our agents' votes to be implemented, doesn't it make sense to open it up for full explanation, understanding and debate? To say, "just vote YEA and trust me" negates the check-and-balance. If the bill is that good, it should not just be something written in the dark and implemented in a rush.

All of our money and lives are going to be affected by this bill, so shouldn't we all understand it first? Anything less indicates the bill contains some surprises that no one wants known until it's too late.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Selective points, huh?
There is legitimate reasons to question and be very scared of Obama.
He has never showed his original birth certificate.
He didn't spend his formative years growing up in America so culturally he is not American
He has spent half his life aligned with radical extremists who hate America and has refused to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
He wants to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector...so yes he is a socialist.
He will not listen or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
He has never run a company or met a payroll.
He blames America for everything and delivers this message abroad.

He is the most arrogant and self-important hypocrite I have ever seen as a POTUS and I will beat that drum every day for the next 3 1/2 years until he is replaced by a responsible American.


********* This list is from my own research and my own opinion. It is 100% typed and no cut and paste.

You are a birther....and thank you for making my point.

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

Cologal, you say you dont believe he won the election, in 2000. Every recount done, by both Republicans and Democrats, showed Bush to be the winner. Don't forget, also, that the media called Florida for Gore before the polls closed, in the Panhandle. Three polls were conducted by Republicans, Democrats and an Independent poll. They all showed that it cost Bush 10,000 votes. This would have changed the whole picture, not only in Florida, but the rest of the country where the polls had hours to go before closing. I really think there should be a law against exit polling and reporting results until all polls, across the country, have closed.

Sally Jo...I beg to differ about the recount. The Supreme Court halted the recount. And you are right that the exit polls, for the first time, did not mirror the actual count. This only fuels the speculation that some funny business went on. I understand why people in CA want to hold election results from the East and I think they did do a good job this year waiting and releasing by region.

Neither of us can change what happened in 2000...the funny thing to me was many of my Republican friends were raging about how no President that lost the general election but won the Electoral would be legitimate. They sure changed their tune....

Originally Posted by cologal

You are a birther....and thank you for making my point.

How about making a point instead of the usual drive-by baloney.
Also, I forgot to add to my list that Obama is a racist. He proved it by calling an action by a white policeman "Stupidly" Funny...the words that come out of one's own mind when a teleprompter is apparently not working.

Originally Posted by Keedy

How about making a point instead of the usual drive-by baloney.
Also, I forgot to add to my list that Obama is a racist. He proved it by calling an action by a white policeman "Stupidly" Funny...the words that come out of one's own mind when a teleprompter is apparently not working.

Watch Glenn Beck tonight at 5 pm.... he plans to make this point.

Originally Posted by Keedy

How about making a point instead of the usual drive-by baloney.
Also, I forgot to add to my list that Obama is a racist. He proved it by calling an action by a white policeman "Stupidly" Funny...the words that come out of one's own mind when a teleprompter is apparently not working.

The only thing one can do is laugh!

Originally Posted by cologal

The only thing one can do is laugh!

Laughter is good medicine...you should come to forum a few times a day to stay healthy.

Originally Posted by rshoffer

Watch Glenn Beck tonight at 5 pm.... he plans to make this point.

Like I would watch Glen Beck

Originally Posted by Keedy

Laughter is good medicine...you should come to forum a few times a day to stay healthy.

You wanted a point by point answer:


Originally Posted by Keedy
Selective points, huh?

There is legitimate reasons to question and be very scared of Obama.


He has never showed his original birth certificate.

The State of Hawaii has provided his birth certificate.

He didn't spend his formative years growing up in America so culturally he is not American

This is just BS...he spent most of his fomative years in Hawaii the 50th state

He has spent half his life aligned with radical extremists who hate America and has refused to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

Just more crap.. He served on a board with a former Weatherman. I wouldn't call that aligned.
He wants to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector...so yes he is a socialist.

You have no proof he is a socialist...

He will not listen or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

He met with the Republicans during the stimulus debate accepted some changes and then NOT one Republican voted for the stimulus package.

He has never run a company or met a payroll.

Would you like to talk about W's failed business history.

He blames America for everything and delivers this message abroad.

Just another load of crap.....

He is the most arrogant and self-important hypocrite I have ever seen as a POTUS and I will beat that drum every day for the next 3 1/2 years until he is replaced by a responsible American.

I think I can name at least one other totally arrogant administration in recent history.

And we all know what you mean when you say he isn't an American


********* This list is from my own research and my own opinion. It is 100% typed and no cut and paste

Originally Posted by cologal

Like I would watch Glen Beck

Sure, why not... laughter is good medicine.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

...doesn't it make sense to open it up for full explanation, understanding and debate?...

If that's all that was done in some extra time taken before voting, I'd agree. But if Congress is given more time, not only does the "debate" become stone-throwing, but too many self-serving legislators and their moneyed lobbyist backers start adding amendments or changing the language, often to something 180 degrees from what was intended.

Juat as Bucco doesn't trust the President, I have at least an equal amount of distrust for the U.S. Congress. Given the choice, I'll side with the "benevolent dictator".

I say that congress taking their August recess is the best thing that can happen. They can do no harm when they are home.

Originally Posted by cologal

You wanted a point by point answer:


Originally Posted by Keedy
Selective points, huh?

There is legitimate reasons to question and be very scared of Obama.


He has never showed his original birth certificate.

The State of Hawaii has provided his birth certificate.

He didn't spend his formative years growing up in America so culturally he is not American

This is just BS...he spent most of his fomative years in Hawaii the 50th state

He has spent half his life aligned with radical extremists who hate America and has refused to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

Just more crap.. He served on a board with a former Weatherman. I wouldn't call that aligned.
He wants to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector...so yes he is a socialist.

You have no proof he is a socialist...

He will not listen or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

He met with the Republicans during the stimulus debate accepted some changes and then NOT one Republican voted for the stimulus package.

He has never run a company or met a payroll.

Would you like to talk about W's failed business history.

He blames America for everything and delivers this message abroad.

Just another load of crap.....

He is the most arrogant and self-important hypocrite I have ever seen as a POTUS and I will beat that drum every day for the next 3 1/2 years until he is replaced by a responsible American.

I think I can name at least one other totally arrogant administration in recent history.

And we all know what you mean when you say he isn't an American


********* This list is from my own research and my own opinion. It is 100% typed and no cut and paste

Thanks for making me more healthy. LOL

Originally Posted by Bucco

....I feel a sense of some relief or something when I read this being published FINALLY in some type of national record....
"The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar. "

There's only a couple of things we MUST do, Bucco. Publishing an article so poorly researched as this one isn't one of them.

If you get a sense of relief from this article, and if the author's research is as poorly done as is reflected in the sentence that you cut and pasted from the article (above), then the exchange of barbs above regarding laughter and it's benefits certainly apply. The author apparently doesn't know and didn't bother to try to find out the academic record needed to get into the Harvard Law School. Or the academic achievement needed to be selected to write for the Harvard Law Review. Or to be chosen to edit the Law Review. Frankly, I'm surprised that Ben Stein (the author of thr article) wrote such a ridiculous statement. He should know better. Like President Obama, he graduated from Columbia University, going on the Yale Law School, where he was valedictorian of his class. Why would Stein make such a statement, when his own academic experience shows that he absolutely knows better?

"...complete lack of scholarship"? Now that's laughable. If this is the best article you could find to give you relief, Bucco, I'd suggest you keep looking.