Originally Posted by RichieLion

All the costs of this, the biggest spending bill in history, are now validated as taxes the by the Supreme Court.

It's self explanatory.

No, the only part of the Law that Roberts used to find the ACA constitutional revolved around the issue of whether Congress could impose a tax penalty on those who did not purchase insurance. The rest of the Law does not have anything to do with the taxation authority of Congress. Keep in mind that the only persons who will incur this penalty are those who are financially able to purchase health insurance either directly from a carrier or from the individual state exchanges which are supposed to lower the cost of coverage by providing an opportunity to have more persons in the pool making a larger group. Florida has done nothing to get started on setting up their exchange.
Those that cannot afford to purchase coverage will get Federal assistance to offset the cost.
In Massachusetts 1% (one percent) of the citizens are seeing a tax penalty for not purchasing the mandated health coverage.

Originally Posted by blueash

No, the only part of the Law that Roberts used to find the ACA constitutional revolved around the issue of whether Congress could impose a tax penalty on those who did not purchase insurance. The rest of the Law does not have anything to do with the taxation authority of Congress. Keep in mind that the only persons who will incur this penalty are those who are financially able to purchase health insurance either directly from a carrier or from the individual state exchanges which are supposed to lower the cost of coverage by providing an opportunity to have more persons in the pool making a larger group. Florida has done nothing to get started on setting up their exchange.
Those that cannot afford to purchase coverage will get Federal assistance to offset the cost.
In Massachusetts 1% (one percent) of the citizens are seeing a tax penalty for not purchasing the mandated health coverage.

blueash, what is this all about: https://www.pcip.gov/StatePlans.html

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Not a classy statement Posh. McConnell has a right to his positions and views without being unjustly called a racist because of them. Not cool.

OK, I'll withdraw that. Try this on for size. Mcconnell's obsession with making BHO a one term President has over taken his ability to function as a Senator IMO. Now I have to go buy a new putter.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Ahh, it's those unnamed "experts" you've found again, Richie. Have you really found some experts who say that the decision by the five members of the SCOTUS and their opinions in voting as they did are unconstitutional or incorrect interpretations of both the Constitution and the precedents they used for their decision? Really?

From what you've said, we know that your experts disagree with the five justices who affirmed the decision in favor of the four who dissented. I'd love to read what they have to say, how they argue against the majority justices. Who are they, Richie?

I'll keep that to myself for now only to prevent you from changing the discussion to the constitutional experts I'm consulting instead of to the issue at hand, which obviously you seem not to be able to discuss coherently if all you can do is to bash me like the rabble you're associating yourself with on this forum.

If you can't speak to the issues of this decision it's not worth the time to speak in your direction.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I agree Bucco. People are jumping up and down and high-fiving each other yet when you ask them what it is going to cost or ask for details, they don't have any answers. When you explain that the current cost in Florida for the mandated state pool is more than some people can afford, supporters of the law say that the POTUS has set up a plan to expand Medicaid and give money for people to subsidize their payments. They say that with their chests puffed out proudly telling you that it will put more people on Medicaid. It really confuses me.

What's to be confused about. "Obama" is a cult of personality. It's Jonestown, to put it bluntly.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'll keep that to myself for now only to prevent you from changing the discussion to the constitutional experts I'm consulting instead of to the issue at hand, which obviously you seem not to be able to discuss coherently if all you can do is to bash me like the rabble you're associating yourself with on this forum.

If you can't speak to the issues of this decision it's not worth the time to speak in your direction.

The CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERTS I'M CONSULTING! This has to be the most delusional post among many dilusional posts from you. Do you have a legion of consultants that brief you for your posts on TOTV? You are a gas!

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I agree Bucco. People are jumping up and down and high-fiving each other yet when you ask them what it is going to cost or ask for details, they don't have any answers. When you explain that the current cost in Florida for the mandated state pool is more than some people can afford, supporters of the law say that the POTUS has set up a plan to expand Medicaid and give money for people to subsidize their payments. They say that with their chests puffed out proudly telling you that it will put more people on Medicaid. It really confuses me.

I cannot figure out how it gets paid for at all. When I look at some of the parts of the bill that cover how to pay, so much of it says....savings from this and that with no explanation or plan to get that savings. Then, I suppose it beomes tax #22 and up !!

Listen, I would love so many of the parts of the bill, but I do not see hw we afford it and it still has not addressed the COST of health care in any way...it has no tort reform.

As far as Florida, the medicaid thing...I THINK...requires the state to kick in and Florida cant afford that.

I am not trying to find fault because it is Obama...I said all of this from the beginning.....

I'm amazed at the folks that scream about the cost of the bill. We have a do-nothing Congress (except when its time to get out of town for holidays) that keeps passing spending bills. We need a Congress that will have the fortitude to pass some cuts.

For those that like to over think issues.

Q&A: What does the health care law mean for you? | Fox News

Mmmmmmmm.....yummy Koolaid.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

For those that like to over think issues.

Q&A: What does the health care law mean for you? | Fox News

I wish Fox always reported like that. That piece really was pretty "fair and balanced".

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

The CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERTS I'M CONSULTING! This has to be the most delusional post among many dilusional posts from you. Do you have a legion of consultants that brief you for your posts on TOTV? You are a gas!

I'm reading the opinions of those whose expertise I value; educating myself in the process and then posting. All you are doing is wasting everyone's time by bashing me instead of countering what I'm saying with any sort of intelligent or interesting comment. You are only showing yourself to be petty.

You're hardly worthy of me even writing this post.

Thank you Attorney General Pam Bondi and all the other Republican Attorneys General who filed this lawsuit that ended up in the Supreme Court. Without your action, there would always be doubts that the individual mandate was constitutional. Now that the Supreme Court has ruled, The Affordable Care Act is once again in the news and being openly debated, as well it should be. President Obama gets a second chance to explain the law to the American people, and Mitt Romney now has a chance to explain how he would replace it.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'm reading the opinions of those whose expertise I value; educating myself in the process and then posting. All you are doing is wasting everyone's time by bashing me instead of countering what I'm saying with any sort of intelligent or interesting comment. You are only showing yourself to be petty.

You're hardly worthy of me even writing this post.

I am humbled and honored that you took valuable time away from your consulting, not to mention the time of your consultants, to attempt to educate me. You are the greatest of the great and will, no doubt, be the first inductee to the TOTV Hall of Fame. PLEASE reply to this post or my fragile ego will destroyed.

Originally Posted by blueash

No, the only part of the Law that Roberts used to find the ACA constitutional revolved around the issue of whether Congress could impose a tax penalty on those who did not purchase insurance. The rest of the Law does not have anything to do with the taxation authority of Congress. Keep in mind that the only persons who will incur this penalty are those who are financially able to purchase health insurance either directly from a carrier or from the individual state exchanges which are supposed to lower the cost of coverage by providing an opportunity to have more persons in the pool making a larger group. Florida has done nothing to get started on setting up their exchange.
Those that cannot afford to purchase coverage will get Federal assistance to offset the cost.
In Massachusetts 1% (one percent) of the citizens are seeing a tax penalty for not purchasing the mandated health coverage.

Since when does a Supreme Court Justice have the purview to rewrite a bill in order to deem it's provision "constitutional". The guiding principle of the Supreme Court majority in this instance was to "re-imagine" the bill in order to find it constitutional. This was not, and is not, their place in government.

When you pay a tax, where does this money go? The "taxes" for this bill go to insurance companies. Think about that for a second.

Imagine the next time you go into Publix the cashier assesses a charge of $3.00 for milk. You tell her "I didn't buy milk"; the cashier informs you that the "tax" for not buying milk is $3.00. The government now has the precedent in this new era of regulating the "absence of commerce" to actually do this.

(Oh don't be silly, they won't do this. Really?; what gives you that faith after what's happened......If you don't like the milk analogy, just make it any product you imagine a buttinsky politician thinking you should have to use for your health, or for any reason, and thus buy)
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