Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I think the pool will stay the same or get more expensive. My understanding is that Obamacare is going to provide subsidies through taxpayer funding for people whom can't afford the premiums for the pool.

Why would it get better and cheaper and the coverage get better? What do you see happening that I don't?

From FORBES....

"Health premiums will go up. Fans of the law say it will cut costs, but by extending government-subsidized health coverage to millions of new customers it is far more likely healthcare costs will increase and that will be passed through to consumers."

Supreme Court Upholds Obamacare: What It Means, What Happens Next - Forbes

And keep in mind that this bill, at least to all I can read, despite the Presidents promise...DOES NOTHING to address costs in anyway at all.

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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1
What will be offered in 2014, janmcn? Will it be cheaper and better? I don't see how that would be possible.

Why not? What do you see happening?

Name one thing that government has taken over and is cheaper and better?????

Originally Posted by Bavarian

BHO said no one making less than $250K/yr would have taxes increased. Now that lie is blown. He said you can keep your Dr. that lie is blown.

Companies will drop medical coverage as the "tax" is cheaper. Employees have to find some bargain basement insurance that their current Dr. probably won't accept, if he has not retired. Look what happened with Medicare D, companies dropped their retirees prescription coverage.

Medicare wiped out retirees employer provided health insurance.

All this is is a way to make people more dependendent on the Government.

Sell your health insurance stock!

What is your source? You seem to be convinced. Help me understand. Coach me to success please.

When Mitt Romney promises to repeal The Affordable Care Act, that will cause 30 million people to lose health care plus the other 20 million he promises to cut from Medicaid. If just half of those people vote against him, there's no way he can win the election this November.

Romney has never said how he will pay for his five trillion dollar tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

Originally Posted by janmcn

When Mitt Romney promises to repeal The Affordable Care Act, that will cause 30 million people to lose health care plus the other 20 million he promises to cut from Medicaid. If just half of those people vote against him, there's no way he can win the election this November.

Romney has never said how he will pay for his five trillion dollar tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

How will he repeal anything? He won't have that power.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

How will he repeal anything? He won't have that power.

I heard on TV today that, because it is a taxing issue, it can be repealed with just 51 votes, and republicans are hoping to have that many after the election. They also said something about he could just cut off the funding for the law.

Originally Posted by janmcn

I heard on TV today that, because it is a taxing issue, it can be repealed with just 51 votes, and republicans are hoping to have that many after the election. They also said something about he could just cut off the funding for the law.

He can't do it day one like he says. Cutting off funding is not repealing.

Just found this on twitter which invalidates my previous post.


4 Reasons Why Republicans Won't Be Able To Repeal Obamacare | ThinkProgress

Supreme Court Upholds President Obama's Health Care Reform | The White House

Here is the official word from the Admin.

This came in an email from The White House, that's their story.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Supreme Court Upholds President Obama's Health Care Reform | The White House

Here is the official word from the Admin.

This came in an email from The White House, that's their story.

Not mentioned in that email...

"The high court’s ruling leaves in place 21 tax increases in the health-care law costing more than $675 billion over the next 10 years, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. Of those, 12 tax hikes would affect families earning less than $250,000 per year, the panel said, including a “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance plans, a tax on insurance providers, and an excise tax on medical device manufacturers."

Republicans: Ruling focuses election on Obama's health care tax - Washington Times

I am still reading on this issue, but as much as I really like some of this stuff, we cannot afford this mumble jumble. Lots of work to do dealing FINALLY WITH HEALTH CARE COSTS !!!

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not mentioned in that email...

"The high court’s ruling leaves in place 21 tax increases in the health-care law costing more than $675 billion over the next 10 years, according to the House Ways and Means Committee. Of those, 12 tax hikes would affect families earning less than $250,000 per year, the panel said, including a “Cadillac tax” on high-cost insurance plans, a tax on insurance providers, and an excise tax on medical device manufacturers."

Republicans: Ruling focuses election on Obama's health care tax - Washington Times

I am still reading on this issue, but as much as I really like some of this stuff, we cannot afford this mumble jumble. Lots of work to do dealing FINALLY WITH HEALTH CARE COSTS !!!

The health insurance that House and Senate folks get is not Cadillac insurance I presume. Their insurance is less than the average workingman? Right?

It is DISGUSTING that EVERY act that is passed or proposed or ruled on by the SCOTUS, is simply used as fodder to beat the other side over the head and rattle sabres. Never any concern over what is really in the public interest. What has happened to statemanship. These politicians are disgusting and the public in general has followed their lead.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

The health insurance that House and Senate folks get is not Cadillac insurance I presume. Their insurance is less than the average workingman? Right?

Nope, they are insured under one of the plans in the Federal Employees Health Benefits. Good healthcare that is available to all Federal employees and retirees. It is not free like a lot of companies give but is still a good deal.

I would think the state (oops, commonwealth) would offer good health insurance to their employees and retirees. Not so?

Originally Posted by buggyone

Nope, they are insured under one of the plans in the Federal Employees Health Benefits. Good healthcare that is available to all Federal employees and retirees. It is not free like a lot of companies give but is still a good deal.

I would think the state (oops, commonwealth) would offer good health insurance to their employees and retirees. Not so?

Very bad after you go. Terrible rates then. Decent while working.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

It is DISGUSTING that EVERY act that is passed or proposed or ruled on by the SCOTUS, is simply used as fodder to beat the other side over the head and rattle sabres. Never any concern over what is really in the public interest. What has happened to statemanship. These politicians are disgusting and the public in general has followed their lead.

Mitch McConnell is a piece of work. Why he just doesn't wear his white hood on the Senate floor is beyond me. His war on the POTUS has put usually "thinking" folks on the road to stalemate and destruction of this Great Nation.