"I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong."

Good that you would go with the states decisions (37 states plus DC) that have legalized same-sex marriage. You do not have to participate in same-sex marriage - just respect it as the choice of those who do believe in it.

Same would go for legalized marijuana either for recreational use (Colorado and Washington) or for medical use as legalized in many states.

Personally, I go for the Federal government as the decision maker so we have one ruling that applies to all the UNITED States - and not 50 different laws on the same issue from 50 different states.

[QUOTE=Guest;1065117]On the subject of same-sex marriage, all of the recent polls show that 60% of Americans support it, that is a majority. If there were a national referendum in this country, as they had in Ireland, the results would be virtually the same.

In the 37 states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage , the majority say it has had no negative impact on their lives.

On the other hand, if people think it is time for a peaceful counter-revolution, the best place to start is at the ballot box. Working to sign up new voters would be a good starting point.

The 2016 election could very well be decided by Florida. President Obama basically won FL twice because he carried the I-4 corridor. The GOP nominee must win Florida in order to get elected.[/Q

Who took the poll?

The laws set down by the GOD of Abraham are as valuable today as the day they were set.

An abomination does not change because on this day a select few say so.

Our morals are under attack and the world is seeing polls like this!

The push is on to make pedophilia legal. Pedophilia is allowed in Islam & babies are given in marriage.

I also agree we must not open that can of worms if we want to remain a morale society. I don't understand how liberals don't see this Do you want your grandchildren living in a society where anything goes? This is where we are heading. Once its man with man, its man with two men or even loving boys. The media is at fault for trying to force it to be viewed as normal. The kids today are already screwed up do you think its going to help them if they don't know If dad should wear slacks or a skirt? And while the Muslims come in with many wives the kids will think "cool" why can't I? It will go on and on and on.....where do we draw the line??

Originally Posted by Guest

I also agree we must not open that can of worms if we want to remain a morale society. I don't understand how liberals don't see this Do you want your grandchildren living in a society where anything goes? This is where we are heading. Once its man with man, its man with two men or even loving boys. The media is at fault for trying to force it to be viewed as normal. The kids today are already screwed up do you think its going to help them if they don't know If dad should wear slacks or a skirt? And while the Muslims come in with many wives the kids will think "cool" why can't I? It will go on and on and on.....where do we draw the line??

I am so glad my kids are all grown. Ditto for most of our grandchildren. It is the great grandchildren and their future children that will pay a price of sorts as they mature and have children. They will never know the joys and freedoms we have had and enjoyed.
But as the values and freedoms continue to devolve (I guess it is a word) the quality of life, morals and freedoms will be significantly less than we know and knew. They will have no point of reference as we have.
That is the blessing if we can call it that!

Originally Posted by Guest

Unfortunately many people see the GLBT movement as a civil rights issue which it is not and /or support for a small sector of society they feel are unfairly and unnecessarily ridiculed . They also add a touch of romanticism to the mix.

Since the beginning of time people understood the differences between heterosexual and homosexual behavior some like the Greeks embraced it but not once in civilization was it suggested that a city-state should legitimize the marriage between two members of the same sex. that is until now.

In the early 1980's homosexual advocates devised a plan to strategically place in front of the population a benign and loving image of two people just trying to make it together in this world. They solicited the usual suspects and lo and behold every movie television show, etc has a gay couple living the American dream raising kids....you get my drift. By repeating this picture often enough and long enough normalized it and then socialized it.

Any objection to this arrangement subjects opponents of being haters, homophobic etc. I object for a number of reasons first and foremost it is going to open up a pandora's box the likes we have never seen. It will have serious social consequences.

I do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated against, or ridiculed but I also do not believe that the definition of marriage should ever be altered.

I am sorry but I do have a problem with a man obsessed about another man's private parts. Nor as it is often claimed do I as a male gain pleasure from witnessing two females entertaining one another. But then my taste might be too traditional for some, perhaps boring.

I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong.

So one can only blink and deflate when you hearing the cheering for Ireland's decision. I also think that something is amiss in that country because I cannot believe the lads actually agree with this and hence some political heavy weights had a hand in this for self interest reasons .

finally there are a number of posters on this forum whom this entire discussion would be lost because they won't stop long enough to think he issue thoroughly through because they are too busy waving the Irish flag


Personal Best Regards:

Excellent post and very well said.

As mentioned by an earlier poster, I think many in the majority are finally getting so totally fed up that some will actually become politically active to stop the assault and reverse the forces.

Homosexual marriage can claim absolutely no historical precedent or legitimacy. Snide arguments aside, it also clearly violates natural law.

You're also correct about the friendly face put on the movement. It's in large part essentially a cover for rampant male homosexuality and all that goes with the bathhouse and S&M culture. There is also a longer term target of "sharing the joys of unfettered love" with children ...ie young boys.

North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We've had enough, and are finally ready to rebel (peacefully I would hope). The tipping point will be when the radical left attempts to criminalize certain Christian beliefs ...ie natural marriage.

It's so sad, isn't it? I also don't believe we need to discriminate against the gays etc but absolutely don't believe their preference needs to be broadcast on TV, taught in schools etc. The libs will destroy their own country along with the future of their own grandchildren because they lack common sense. Its always about rights so open it up and yes there will be no boundaries to anything its the "anything goes" society and we shall pay dearly for it as things spiral out of control. As a conservative I'm going to sit back and just watch it all happen as I am grateful I have no grandchildren to worry about. That is a blessings in disguise. God help the kids today as they won't even know right from wrong as "anything goes" will all become OK in their impressionable minds

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

Originally Posted by Fraugoofy

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

I know you think you've just said something profound, but it is actually a ridiculous question.

Originally Posted by Guest

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

epp er2:

Originally Posted by Guest

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

Dear Guest: I do not wish to be or seen being unkind but there are some realities in life that must be faced head on. The question you pose has many answers most of which you may not like. For one it opens the door to discussion as to whether homosexuality is genetic or a choice?

The outcome of procreation between a man and a woman is left in nature's hands which more often is thankfully, unremarkable.

I wish no one disrespect or harm. I have a life long history of standing up against people who bully or ridicule other people for whatever reasons.


What you will find for the most part is that those opposed to the nationalization of same-sex marriage ( itself an oxymoron) is that it demands the redefinition of marriage that has been established, by nature, since the beginning of time and which if dismantled will have grave consequences on societies that will occur subtle gradually but assuredly.

The Civil Right Laws and amendments following established the basis for no discrimination. So this latest movement by the GLBT is for one reason and one reason alone. To make it acceptable and may I dare say legal behavior in essence claiming there is no difference between heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior...and that my friend is a long stretch because it drastically changes male to male and female to female relationships.


Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

If straight people are so against homosexuals why do they keep having gay babies?

People still give birth to liars which is stated to be an abomination in the Bible.

GOD made man and women and he says homosexuality is an abomination

so I pretty much think the science behind a person being born this way is

flawed big time. Everything in the Bible is true and you can not pick and

choose what you want to follow.

Originally Posted by Guest

People still give birth to liars which is stated to be an abomination in the Bible.

GOD made man and women and he says homosexuality is an abomination

so I pretty much think the science behind a person being born this way is

flawed big time. Everything in the Bible is true and you can not pick and

choose what you want to follow.

Standby for the "teen adults" that troll on here. You will be subject to snarky comments, and then credited by one of those cute little icons.

These are folks who can only follow what they are told is correct; it is a political forum so stand by and good luck. The "children" of retirement age will be here !

Borrowing a segment out of context from another post above to make a point.....if they do present it as "...legal behavior in essence claiming there is no difference between heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior..."

then perhaps one of them could explain why a child can only be produced between a male and a female?
via anatomical parts of the body designed specifically to do so?

Originally Posted by Guest

Borrowing a segment out of context from another post above to make a point.....if they do present it as "...legal behavior in essence claiming there is no difference between heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior..."

then perhaps one of them could explain why a child can only be produced between a male and a female? via anatomical parts of the body designed specifically to do so?

That's the question that they can never answer