Originally Posted by Guest

You are suggesting we should do worse things to captured ISIS than to video them being beheaded or burnt alive in cages? I hope I misinterpret you.

No, that's not even close to what I said. I basically said change the ROE to whereby we can win the war. That will involve, if need be, leveling some cities the same way we did in WWII. But, I would rather see that occur than have more US troops die .. .wouldn't you agree?

The key word is "exterminate" ISIS. That's what needs to occur. We also need to use enhanced interrogation on prisoners, vs simply killing them with drones. Good intel would help end the war more quickly and with a US victory.

Originally Posted by Guest

Looking backward at Bush or Obama does not do anything good. They both made big mistakes.

No, mine was not a bait question at all. I was hoping to hear comment from others about solutions they think might work.

Mine is to cut our huge losses over there. Concentrate on securing borders from possible terrorists, government increasing intel from terrorist countries as well as increasing monitoring of known social media and other internet sites that have been used to recruit for and to spread terrorist information. Also, another possibility would be for the US to use fake web sites to tell horror stories of recruits who have gone to be terrorists and engage in counter-propaganda.

I apologize for taking your post the wrong way. Thank you for your thoughtful response. Your ideas are good ones. I guess where I am stuck in my thinking about the situation is - how far do we let ISIS go, how many countries do we sit back and watch them take over before stepping in, especially if they are countries that we have allied with in the past, or do we wait until they are right at our doorstep? This is where I am at a loss for a plan/idea, but I know that if up to me, I wouldn't want to wait that long because then I would fear it would be too late.

Originally Posted by Guest

I didn't run for President, and I didn't convince the majority of electorate that I was up to the task of leading the country. I also don't have the daily intel to made an informed decision. So how can you expect me to come up with the solution to Obama's incompetence?

As I see it, ground troops ground is probably the only solution. How many troops? I have no idea, I am not a strategic planner. But how long does Obama allow this cancer to spread before he takes meaningful action? Surely even he will come to the realization that ground troops are needed, the only question is how long will it take? My guess is he will be out off office before this happens and it will become the next Presidents problem.



Yet, at every opportunity Democrats "look backward" and deamonize President Bush. Why don't they look forward?

Would you be willing to give up half your monthly pension to paid for this? I suspect if you had to you might not be quite as agressive. In 12 years US tax payers have not paid a single cent for these wars, that is why a lot of people want to get back in as soon as possible. When we start paying real time these opinions might mean something.

Originally Posted by Guest

Would you be willing to give up half your monthly pension to paid for this? I suspect if you had to you might not be quite as agressive. In 12 years US tax payers have not paid a single cent for these wars, that is why a lot of people want to get back in as soon as possible. When we start paying real time these opinions might mean something.

I would be willing to give up just about anything for my children and grandchildren and this falls in that catagory.

This questions phrased as this one is are simply a diversion and often asked by certain posters almost always related to pensions and social security. It is just a word game.

We need to do whatever it takes, as soon as we can to stop this stuff. You folks just talk about Iraq.....you ignored Syria for years in this conversation and now it is something to consider. Yemen was a "victory and not you need to consider it...Libya is really in trouble with this ISIL threat. Read about Africa...ISIS just got a "pledge of allegiance" from Boko Haram in Africa....ISIS Expands Into West Africa, Welcoming Boko Haram Allegiance - NBC News

If somehow you think that this is being contained in anyway, you are not paying close attention.

NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY wants a war of any kind...NOBODY wants more body counts, BUT if we love our kids and grandkids, you gotta take a long hard look.

This group will not simply bring down twin towers and try to take the Pentagon, etc. NO....what they will do, if allowed, will resonate for a long time.

And the next hypothetical question will be something bout living in fear, etc. Just wake up....stop defending on political lines. The threat is REAL, not imagined

Just a reminder on who exactly this Boko Haram is....

They are the ones who kidnapped 100's of small school girls in Nigeria last year. They are the ones who massacred as many as 2,000 people near the Chad border a few months ago.

Look at your map and enjoy the fact that they are not here but growing in numbers and geographically.

Originally Posted by Guest

What would you do IF you were in charge?

Would you send 20,000 - 30,000 ground troops to Syria to take on ISIS forces and recapture some of the captured cities? How many US troops would be captured and beheaded on camera would you be willing to accept? How many US lives would you be willing to lose to recapture Iraq or Syria cities?

We know that the US trained Iraqui forces are not worth a thing. They throw down their US supplied weapons and run. Training and arming them is a waste of money.

Don't say a residual US force would have stopped ISIS. That is looking backward. What do we do - looking forward?

Americans, as a whole, are not willing to waste more American soldiers lives or Billions more dollars throwing them down that mid-east rathole.

Concentrate on national security of antiterrorist activities of all kinds.

I would do whatever it took to wipe Isis off the face of the earth. I would build up our military and use them. I would not tie their hands behind their backs. I would listen to the military generals and experts and not fire them or let them go. I would go to the end of the earth to protect my children and grandchildren from the evil that is trying to destroy us. Then I would tell every American why we need to destroy them. I would have the media broadcast the be headings so every American would understand what evil is. And lastly I would call them exactly what they are Evil Islamic terrorists. If I could not do any of the above I would resign knowing that protecting America is my No 1 responsibility

Originally Posted by Guest

Would you be willing to give up half your monthly pension to paid for this? I suspect if you had to you might not be quite as agressive. In 12 years US tax payers have not paid a single cent for these wars, that is why a lot of people want to get back in as soon as possible. When we start paying real time these opinions might mean something.

We're potentially talking about our longer term survival as a nation, and you ask about how much of one's pension each of us are willing to give up?

First of all, it wouldn't take 1/2 but it would take something. I'm good with it.

Second, if we ignore the issue longer term there won't be a pension ... especially if DC or NYC is nuked or otherwise contaminated.

Third .. I like the idea of each of us paying something to support a dedicated effort to win the war. I supported aspects of Bush's strategy but I was completely turned off by "let's go shopping" as our contribution.

Fourth ... we need to take action and, this time, get everyone involved to win it.

So my thanks to you for raising this aspect for people to think about. How much is it worth to ones Villages lifestyle to defeat a civilizational menace ...ie Radical Islam? How much is it worth to each of us to make sure our kids grow up in a Judeo-Christin (even if polluted at times by hedonism) vs an Islamic culture. My answer, and those of most ... a LOT.

Originally Posted by Guest

I would do whatever it took to wipe Isis off the face of the earth. I would build up our military and use them. I would not tie their hands behind their backs. I would listen to the military generals and experts and not fire them or let them go. I would go to the end of the earth to protect my children and grandchildren from the evil that is trying to destroy us. Then I would tell every American why we need to destroy them. I would have the media broadcast the be headings so every American would understand what evil is. And lastly I would call them exactly what they are Evil Islamic terrorists. If I could not do any of the above I would resign knowing that protecting America is my No 1 responsibility

Excellent reply and analysis. I'm with you.

I would do all the above mentioned to protect my kids and in addition I would have closed the borders to anyone from terrorist sponsoring nations a long time ago so we would not have them living and plotting how to kill us in our country now.

How do you differentiate between the good Muslims in the USA and those who are plotting to do damage to us? We have Muslims as Villagers and there is an Islamic Center only around 30 miles from here.

Originally Posted by Guest

How do you differentiate between the good Muslims in the USA and those who are plotting to do damage to us? We have Muslims as Villagers and there is an Islamic Center only around 30 miles from here.

Curious how you arrived at this question.

I see no comment referring to anyone but radical terrorists doing bad things in the name of Muslim, and NO reference to anything in the USA. Fact is the question that allowed all the comments never mentioned this country.

Why the question ?

Originally Posted by Guest

How do you differentiate between the good Muslims in the USA and those who are plotting to do damage to us? We have Muslims as Villagers and there is an Islamic Center only around 30 miles from here.

I think they will become self-differentiating based on their actions, vs words.

Fact is we have plenty of Muslim allies already ... Jordan comes to mind. The President of Egypt has been courageous, at great risk to his personal safety, about calling for a "Reformation" of Islam.

The test for US Muslims is this ... if they support the war to defeat Radical Islam, they are our friends and allies. If they don't they are our enemies, and thus part of the problem. Keep our friends here, and deport our enemies. Common sense.

Question is though how many U.S. Muslims have spoken up Against Islam? I don't recall any? mosques are breeding grounds for terrorists, as are our prisons

[QUOTE=Guest;1064006]Curious how you arrived at this question.

I see no comment referring to anyone but radical terrorists doing bad things in the name of Muslim, and NO reference to anything in the USA. Fact is the question that allowed all the comments never mentioned this country./QUOTE]

Look at post 24, 27, and 28.

We certainly do not want to get the same fear that our parent's had during WWII and have anything like the internment camps that Japanese-Americans were forced to endure.

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Originally Posted by Guest

We certainly do not want to get the same fear that our parent's had during WWII and have anything like the internment camps that Japanese-Americans were forced to endure.

I think you need to worry more about the main problem (Radical Islam, especially when they get nukes) , and not the one you mention