Originally Posted by Guest

As you know, when the Constitution was written, there was only Christians here in our new country and the idea was to get freedom of the Church of England. There was no Jewish, no Muslim, no Wicca, no Hindu that we had to include. We need to get back to those basics of our rootstocks.

You sincerely do not get the point or even understand the threat being discussed.

Originally Posted by Guest

As you know, when the Constitution was written, there was only Christians here in our new country and the idea was to get freedom of the Church of England. There was no Jewish, no Muslim, no Wicca, no Hindu that we had to include. We need to get back to those basics of our rootstocks.

Dear Guest: You make an assumption when you write when the Constitution was written there was only Christians........ In fact there were Jews, atheist, mysticism, etc. And as the country progressed and more immigrants entered the country from foreign lands and worshiping in different manners the Constitution defended their right to worship freely.

Today, Christianity is under attack not only from abroad but right here in the good ol USA. It is being attacked by the Obama Administration, atheists group like Freedom From Religion (Wisconsin organization) and from the gay movement which sees religion and religious people as enemies.

The founding fathers when writing our Charters of Freedom had religion in mind in that religion caused people to examine their relationship with God ( or if you prefer something greater than themselves) respect for one another and dignity. With the tenets of the Judeo-Christians belief establishing a civilized society and one that reached internationally would not have been possible. A secular nation's god is government....need I go any further

I really do not know what life truths are but I do know that Christianity has done much more good and that its enemies intentionally focus on the negatives. whether people wish to admit it or not they are better human beings because of Christianity.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

As you know, when the Constitution was written, there was only Christians here in our new country and the idea was to get freedom of the Church of England. There was no Jewish, no Muslim, no Wicca, no Hindu that we had to include. We need to get back to those basics of our rootstocks.

Yes, I know you long (not) for those days.

And, as the person who currently occupies the Office of President famously said, Muslims have a long history in America, and built the very fabric of our country. For example, the Muslims otherwise known as the Barbary Pirates raided our shipping and cut the heads off our people ... much as they do today in fact. This went on until Thomas Jefferson declared war on theme and defeated them.

Originally Posted by Guest

You sincerely do not get the point or even understand the threat being discussed.

Yes, the person who you are referring too in fact almost never gets it ... but he does like to lash out with periodic, irrational statements and his awkward attempts at humor that somehow always misses a beat

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: You make an assumption when you write when the Constitution was written there was only Christians........ In fact there were Jews, atheist, mysticism, etc. And as the country progressed and more immigrants entered the country from foreign lands and worshiping in different manners the Constitution defended their right to worship freely.

Today, Christianity is under attack not only from abroad but right here in the good ol USA. It is being attacked by the Obama Administration, atheists group like Freedom From Religion (Wisconsin organization) and from the gay movement which sees religion and religious people as enemies.

The founding fathers when writing our Charters of Freedom had religion in mind in that religion caused people to examine their relationship with God ( or if you prefer something greater than themselves) respect for one another and dignity. With the tenets of the Judeo-Christians belief establishing a civilized society and one that reached internationally would not have been possible. A secular nation's god is government....need I go any further

I really do not know what life truths are but I do know that Christianity has done much more good and that its enemies intentionally focus on the negatives. whether people wish to admit it or not they are better human beings because of Christianity.

Personal Best Regards:

Judeo Christian theological beliefs were at the root of what built this country, including respect for the individual, political liberty and free speech. Most of the world for millennia has lived under the yoke of the strong man oppressor where authoritarian regimes ruled the day. Our liberal friends should look around the world and think about how lucky they are to have America to trash ... without being sent to the gallows.

Here is how I am seeing this thing playing out.

Iran, who I must repeat is the largest supporter of terrorism, if not in the world...certainly in the ME, whatever that constitutes Tright now, will come to an agreement with the US and those with the US. It will happen because the USA wants no part of doing anything but bombing from afar and hoping and Iran will help fight ISIS on the ground.

So then we have the US and IRAN as allies, one supposedly the biggest defender of Israel and the other the sworn enemy of Israel who actually prays for them to just die...literally.

We are negotiating NOT to stop Iran from nukes, but to DELAY them. At the same time in the past week the USA is responding to Iran's demand that Israel is not allowed to have any nukes either by going to Israel to ask them to stop and probably apply a lot of pressure.

Meanwhile, the UN...the UN who we never spoke to about the atrocities in Syria and who has said little or nothing about ISIS is being asked by the US to insist that Israel give up the only thing they have to defend themselves (remember, they are surrounded by sworn enemies).

We don't have any intention of doing the same thing with Pakistan who also has these nukes, nor North Korea....just our "ally" Israel.

So, our President will stand tall and all of his followers will bow to him as the man who got this deal with Iran. Iran will defeat ISIS which also makes Obama look good.

Then we have Iran on a timetable to get nukes....we have disarmed Israel....and they are surrounded by nuclear weapons owned by people who want them eliminated and our President has his precious legacy.

Just think for a moment before you come after me....if you do not read or know, I will supply links to validate that what I am saying this country is doing, the are really doing.

OVERREACTING YOU SAY....same thing you would have said maybe three short months ago, if I told you that ISIS would now have a presence with allies in Africa, are pillaging Iraq, and are putting Syria back on their hills as they take that over.

As mentioned in my first few sentences, a major offensive taking place, backed by USA.

Big deal is, and it is MAJOR....it is, as I said it would be led by Iran and their Shia troops. This is going to divide the country even more, which is to the benefit of Iran.

I stand by my original post. Only winners will be Iran

Keep in mind, Iran will become even richer once the frozen assets go back to them, although there seems to be enough around to finance a military.

Then there is them trying a U.S. Reporter


Spy trial of 'Washington Post' reporter opens in Iran

Just keep this all in mind, along with all the newer threats to the U.S. and Israel as you are asked to support an agreement, not to stop nukes, but simply delay

Originally Posted by Guest

Keep in mind, Iran will become even richer once the frozen assets go back to them, although there seems to be enough around to finance a military.

Then there is them trying a U.S. Reporter


Spy trial of 'Washington Post' reporter opens in Iran

Just keep this all in mind, along with all the newer threats to the U.S. and Israel as you are asked to support an agreement, not to stop nukes, but simply delay

If the proverbial Martian landed in the US today, looked and analyzed what he saw, he could only conclude the President of the US apparently wants the Iranians "to win" and the US to lose.

China has a 25year deal with Iran for $100 billion for LNG. Other trade agreements make China, Iran's number one trading partner. I'd say our desire to buy cheap manufactured goods from China has saved U.S. consumers a few bucks and help weaken our global influence. This transition occurred under Presidents from both political parties.