Originally Posted by Bucco

I sure dont know...many did over the years.

Guess we would have to check the old archives to see as it was almost a DECADE ago, ! Just not sure what that little venture would get anybody, but someday bringing up George Bush all the time is going to wear thin.

Actor is in love, and love means never having to say you're sorry

Originally Posted by RichieLion;37***5

Actor is in love, and love means never having to say you're sorry

remember?

Originally Posted by Bucco

Something never change around here.

Criticize this president and if not called a racist, you can count on Bush's name being brought up and the source will be called a right wing rag. These are ALWAYS the response.

Could have been interesting to discuss the CONTENTS of the article but folks like yourself who blindly follow whatever this man says, will never change.

A lost cause. Obama good...everything and everyone else bad. I got it...do not criticize this guy...he is above it no matter what he is telling you and how untrue.

how do you discuss Obama's performance in office without bringing up Bush? Obama was left with a bigger mess by his predecessor than any president in modern times except for possibly FDR. Two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts to the wealthiest 1-2 percent, unfunded and politically motivated Medicare Part D- a gift to the pharmaceutical industry- a near total collapse of the credit markets, lowest consumer confidence in a generation, etc. What did you expect Obama to do, wave a wand and make everything good again?

Originally Posted by actor

how do you discuss Obama's performance in office without bringing up Bush? Obama was left with a bigger mess by his predecessor than any president in modern times except for possibly FDR. Two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts to the wealthiest 1-2 percent, unfunded and politically motivated Medicare Part D- a gift to the pharmaceutical industry- a near total collapse of the credit markets, lowest consumer confidence in a generation, etc. What did you expect Obama to do, wave a wand and make everything good again?

We were discussing his lying and lack of leadership !!!!

Originally Posted by Bucco

We were discussing his lying and lack of leadership !!!!

once you get in office due to changing circumstances or new realities is a lie? Name me a president who hasn't done so. That's a far cry from an outright lie that brought us into a costly war.

Originally Posted by actor

once you get in office due to changing circumstances or new realities is a lie? Name me a president who hasn't done so. That's a far cry from an outright lie that brought us into a costly war.

You are quite the character,...the party must be so proud.

Why dont you discuss each issue...I talked about the lying on the healthcare in my post.....was that a result of changing circumstances ?

I talked about his total VOID of leadership in almost all issues...is that a result of changing circumstances ?

I anticipate how Bush made him lie or Bush took away his leadership or barring that, the Republican party but in no way is it his fault....we understand where you stand on that.....

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are quite the character,...the party must be so proud.

Why dont you discuss each issue...I talked about the lying on the healthcare in my post.....was that a result of changing circumstances ?

I talked about his total VOID of leadership in almost all issues...is that a result of changing circumstances ?

I anticipate how Bush made him lie or Bush took away his leadership or barring that, the Republican party but in no way is it his fault....we understand where you stand on that.....

I reject the idea that he lied about healthcare. Just because it's in an article that you read in a totally biased publication does not make it so. There was a lot of behind the scenes horse trading in the healthcare debate that neither you nor I are privy to. Political leadership is often exerted behind closed doors. It's easy to take pot shots when all the facts are not available.

Originally Posted by actor

I reject the idea that he lied about healthcare. Just because it's in an article that you read in a totally biased publication does not make it so. There was a lot of behind the scenes horse trading in the healthcare debate that neither you nor I are privy to. Political leadership is often exerted behind closed doors. It's easy to take pot shots when all the facts are not available.

I must have totally misunderstood the OFT REPEATED promise of an open debate on that issue ! I must have misunderstood the "politics will not enter into it" comments. I also misunderstand what even the left wing press acknowledges about the back room deals that he made in order to swing those in HIS PARTY who opposed it.

Then, I misunderstood all the polls that showed the majority of americans to be against it.

You are certainly correct........I have no facts and am way off base here.

You keep this up and I may join you in promoting him to King, and will defend him on every issue as you do. Obviously, I unlike you, thought he was fallible ! And here he is just misunderstood !

You make a very serious misjudgement when you keep saying and insinuating that everyone who criticizes your hero is a Republican, or a Bush lover..I suppose that makes you feel comfortable but I can assure you from my perspective it isnt close.

Yes, Obama is hated by members of all parties. He is a socialist who does not really care about the working stiff. Where are all the jobs?

Originally Posted by Bucco

I must have totally misunderstood the OFT REPEATED promise of an open debate on that issue ! I must have misunderstood the "politics will not enter into it" comments. I also misunderstand what even the left wing press acknowledges about the back room deals that he made in order to swing those in HIS PARTY who opposed it.

Then, I misunderstood all the polls that showed the majority of americans to be against it.

You are certainly correct........I have no facts and am way off base here.

You keep this up and I may join you in promoting him to King, and will defend him on every issue as you do. Obviously, I unlike you, thought he was fallible ! And here he is just misunderstood !

You make a very serious misjudgement when you keep saying and insinuating that everyone who criticizes your hero is a Republican, or a Bush lover..I suppose that makes you feel comfortable but I can assure you from my perspective it isnt close.

a great deal that Obama made backroom political deals to push through a law that gives healthcare coverage to uninsured citizens, prohibits insurance companies from excluding beneficiaries based on pre-existing conditions, etc, and lowers the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years-CBO estimate-. If you only support programs that did not involve backroom deals, that leaves very little legislation that you support. BTW, LBJ had to twist a lot of arms and make backroom political deals to get Medicare approved. Are you on Medicare? Also, read up a little on how Bush pushed through Medicare Part D in the middle of the night, and the deals that were made to get that approved.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Yes, Obama is hated by members of all parties. He is a socialist who does not really care about the working stiff. Where are all the jobs?

what a socialist is? You know it's very difficult not to get personal on this forum when you are faced with posters like you.

Originally Posted by actor

what a socialist is? You know it's very difficult not to get personal on this forum when you are faced with moronic posters like yourself.

Typical left-leaning party responses. Berate the people that do not agree with you. I have read many threads here and you are the most insulting individual here. You would be banned on many forums. You are disrespectful.

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Originally Posted by actor

a great deal that Obama made backroom political deals to push through a law that gives healthcare coverage to uninsured citizens, prohibits insurance companies from excluding beneficiaries based on pre-existing conditions, etc, and lowers the deficit by $143 billion over the first ten years-CBO estimate-. If you only support programs that did not involve backroom deals, that leaves very little legislation that you support. BTW, LBJ had to twist a lot of arms and make backroom political deals to get Medicare approved. Are you on Medicare? Also, read up a little on how Bush pushed through Medicare Part D in the middle of the night, and the deals that were made to get that approved.

YEP....because he had to do what he did...paying off folks simply because straight up he didnt have the votes for this total trainwreck of a bill EVEN AMONG HIS OWN PARTY. This bill, and you can write it down, is going to be an albatross around all our necks for some time. Yep, also because it was the TOTAL OPPOSITE of what he said over and over again that he would do, AND he did despite most americans being opposed. We see a bit of the irony as people are backing away in droves even those who originally supported him on it.

And please cease and desist on the Bush rhetoric. I am not, nor ever been a Bush supporter and you actually weaken and cheapen everything you say when you say that stuff. You sound like lad on the playground with the constant harping on Bush. He has been gone for over THREE YEARS and if you mean to say that Obama can lie about issues because Bush did, then we have a far more serious problem AND THAT IS WHAT YOU IMPLY....by always saying Bush did it...or something to that affect.

I have been criticizing this man...Obama....since well before he was even the candidate so it is not sour grapes. Search just this forum and you will find that to be the truth so this is not some party hack. He never had what it takes to fill this job and he is gettting worse. I am not a "johnny come lately" and jumping on the pile on Obama..I called him not capable before he was even a serious threat for the candidacy.

This is not a referendum on Bush...it is on Obama.....he has been in the Oval office for over 3 years now. He has not surpised me on bit on how he has acted. He never had any leadership positions, had no leadership skills and has never done much in his life but TALK. He is a very smart man and very articulate but he had none of his own ideas and floats around trying to satisfy folks.

He had many chances to show leadership and we have mentioned the health bill...that was one. He chose TO IGNORE the majority of americans who opposed it...he chose TO IGNORE the majority of politicians, even in his own party, who opposed it. He chose TO IGNORE the chance to have a viable public debate on the subject.

Again, understand, I am not posting here to set up 2012...I have been posting anti Obama on here, as I said WELL BEFORE he was even the candidate...when it looked like Clinton would be the nominee.

I invite you to read about this President...read his autobiographies (TWO of them and they even differ)...read about his time in Chicago.what he said..what he did (most times different)...WHO he was associated with at the time which is what made up the man.

His non decisive positions on things will not surprise anyone who has read his background

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Typical left-leaning party responses. Berate the people that do not agree with you. I have read many threads here and you are the most insulting individual here. You would be banned on many forums. You are disrespectful.

on this forum a long time ago, and it was not my doing. I'll make a deal with you, I won't respond to a thing you post anymore. It won't be difficult since nothing you've posted to date is worthy of a serious response.