Originally Posted by billethkid

the subject of the thread was Obama VS Carter ....not ones opinion of the credibility or not of the media involved. What we used to call a "lateral arabesque" ....a more polite way of stating BS!!!!!

How about an opinion on the subject presented....Obama VS Carter.

In my humble opinion, on the subject of the thread, Obama makes Carter look good!! Carter was a wishy washy, take no risks and offend no one president....and acted that way. And there were times one felt some of what he did was for the good of the country.

Obama is a wishy washy, takes no risks and offend none president...but TALKS as if he isn't/wasn't. And there is nothing we have seen this president do that is for the good of the country.

Subject....CARTER VS OBAMA!!!!

btk

who ordered the strike that took out Bin Laden? Former defense secretary Bob Gates, a Republican appointed to the cabinet by President Bush, called Obama's decision to go into Pakistan and get Bin Laden the gutsiest decision he's ever seen by any president. Is that the wishy washy,take no risk president you are refering to?

Clandestine missions are carried out every day that the public will never be privy to. If the mission had failed the public might never know. So, there really was no risk. Although it would have been nice if Clinton had given an order when they had him in their sites. Then 9-11 would never have happened.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Clandestine missions are carried out every day that the public will never be privy to. If the mission had failed the public might never know. So, there really was no risk. Although it would have been nice if Clinton had given an order when they had him in their sites. Then 9-11 would never have happened.

these decisions and how these missions are carried out than the former Secretary of Defense? Seems logical to me.

Originally Posted by actor

these decisions and how these missions are carried out than the former Secretary of Defense? Seems logical to me.

I'm telling you that if the mission failed, nobody would have known. I know for a fact that many things happen in the military that stays in the military. Do you really think the mainstream media would dig into their idol's failures?

I'm willing to bet that if it was a failure and it became known, he would blame someone else, like he does with all his failures.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I'm telling you that if the mission failed, nobody would have known. I know for a fact that many things happen in the military that stays in the military. Do you really think the mainstream media would dig into their idol's failures?

I'm willing to bet that if it was a failure and it became known, he would blame someone else, like he does with all his failures.

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't give the President any credit for getting Bin Laden. You remind me of another conservative poster who was clearly mad that Obama, and not Bush, was the one who got him.

Originally Posted by actor

I'm not surprised that you wouldn't give the President any credit for getting Bin Laden. You remind me of another conservative poster who was clearly mad that Obama, and not Bush, was the one who got him.

I'm not mad at anybody. Just telling you the facts. The Navy SEALs are the only ones's who should take credit. Bush didn't get Sadamm. The Army did.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I'm not mad at anybody. Just telling you the facts. The Navy SEALs are the only ones's who should take credit. Bush didn't get Sadamm. The Army did.

main point. Former Secretary Gates, a Republican appointee and one of the most respected men in Washington- by both sides of the aisle-called Obama's decision to stage the raid the gutsiest decision he's ever seen by any American President. You seem to think that this praise is somehow not valid, reasoning that there was no political risk to Obama since the raids' failure would never have been reported. I say that Gates knows a hell of a lot more than you or me, or anyone else posting here, and this is good enough for me. Your assertion that the media would never have reported on a failed raid is absolute BS.

I don't understand why you are all picking on Obama. He kept his promises of "hope" and " change". He just didn't define it to me "hope the changes I made don't continue to spiral the economy downward any farther" Suddenly Greece is looking like a wealthy country next to us. Atta way Barack! Thank God you had the foresight to add Biden on your team

Originally Posted by actor

main point. Former Secretary Gates, a Republican appointee and one of the most respected men in Washington- by both sides of the aisle-called Obama's decision to stage the raid the gutsiest decision he's ever seen by any American President. You seem to think that this praise is somehow not valid, reasoning that there was no political risk to Obama since the raids' failure would never have been reported. I say that Gates knows a hell of a lot more than you or me, or anyone else posting here, and this is good enough for me. Your assertion that the media would never have reported on a failed raid is absolute BS.

If you remember, a little less than two years ago
this administration actually charged and attempted to court-martial 3 Navy Seals from Seal Team Six when
a terrorist suspect, whom they captured, complained they had punched him during the take down and bloodied
his nose. This administration further commented how brutal they were. The left were calling them Nazi's and
Baby Killers. Now all of a sudden, the very brave men they vilified are now heroes?
Seems Obama needed a boost in his ratings and his waterboy, Gates, contributed.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

If you remember, a little less than two years ago
this administration actually charged and attempted to court-martial 3 Navy Seals from Seal Team Six when
a terrorist suspect, whom they captured, complained they had punched him during the take down and bloodied
his nose. This administration further commented how brutal they were. The left were calling them Nazi's and
Baby Killers. Now all of a sudden, the very brave men they vilified are now heroes?
Seems Obama needed a boost in his ratings and his waterboy, Gates, contributed.

What next Obama hires Jane Fonda to entertain the troops and visit military hospitals

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

If you remember, a little less than two years ago
this administration actually charged and attempted to court-martial 3 Navy Seals from Seal Team Six when
a terrorist suspect, whom they captured, complained they had punched him during the take down and bloodied
his nose. This administration further commented how brutal they were. The left were calling them Nazi's and
Baby Killers. Now all of a sudden, the very brave men they vilified are now heroes?
Seems Obama needed a boost in his ratings and his waterboy, Gates, contributed.

and you know it. Do me and everyone else here a favor, and admit to the fact that you despise the President, and under no circumstances will you give him credit for anything he does. You remind me of the loonies on the left who were calling Bush and Chaney war criminals. Neither you nor them are capable of any rational, objective thinking.

Originally Posted by actor

and you know it. Do me and everyone else here a favor, and admit to the fact that you despise the President, and under no circumstances will you give him credit for anything he does. You remind me of the loonies on the left who were calling Bush and Chaney war criminals. Neither you nor them are capable of any rational, objective thinking.

When I show you the hypocrisy of this administration, you refuse to see. I guess love is blind.
Obama is the one who wanted to bring Bin Laden to court one minute and then flip flops and wants to kill him the next, when his ratings get low.
He is against wars and then bombs innocent Libyan citizens.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

When I show you the hypocrisy of this administration, you refuse to see. I guess love is blind.
Obama is the one who wanted to bring Bin Laden to court one minute and then flip flops and wants to kill him the next, when his ratings get low.
He is against wars and then bombs innocent Libyan citizens.

advocated killing Bin Laden. You conservatives hate the fact that it was Obama, and not Bush, who got the job done. Why can't you admit that you hate the man and will never give him any credit for anything. At least then, we'll all know where you stand and the source of your animus to all things proposed by this President. And don't say it's because he's a socialist, because any thoughtful person knows that that is far from the truth.

Originally Posted by actor

advocated killing Bin Laden. You conservatives hate the fact that it was Obama, and not Bush, who got the job done. Why can't you admit that you hate the man and will never give him any credit for anything. At least then, we'll all know where you stand and the source of your animus to all things proposed by this President. And don't say it's because he's a socialist, because any thoughtful person knows that that is far from the truth.

Just his liberal progressive philosophy. Oh, is that another name for socialism?

Originally Posted by actor

advocated killing Bin Laden. You conservatives hate the fact that it was Obama, and not Bush, who got the job done. Why can't you admit that you hate the man and will never give him any credit for anything. At least then, we'll all know where you stand and the source of your animus to all things proposed by this President. And don't say it's because he's a socialist, because any thoughtful person knows that that is far from the truth.

All I know after reviewing is that the constant here is that you pretty much totally IGNORE what critiques are made of this President..you NEVER respond to facts presented and continually want to talk party politics or Bush.

I have heard no poster say that they disagree with everything this President has done, but it appears that you think all he does is correct, or you would not ignore what folks say and respond with parties and Bush !

Maybe you dont realize you are doing it, but ...wow.....