Originally Posted by Rags123

All I know after reviewing is that the constant here is that you pretty much totally IGNORE what critiques are made of this President..you NEVER respond to facts presented and continually want to talk party politics or Bush.

I have heard no poster say that they disagree with everything this President has done, but it appears that you think all he does is correct, or you would not ignore what folks say and respond with parties and Bush !

Maybe you dont realize you are doing it, but ...wow.....

wrong. There are things about Obama I don't like, and will admit that he has made mistakes. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend him from the blind hatred and lunacy prevalent on this forum.

Originally Posted by Rags123

All I know after reviewing is that the constant here is that you pretty much totally IGNORE what critiques are made of this President..you NEVER respond to facts presented and continually want to talk party politics or Bush.

I have heard no poster say that they disagree with everything this President has done, but it appears that you think all he does is correct, or you would not ignore what folks say and respond with parties and Bush !

Maybe you dont realize you are doing it, but ...wow.....

Listen to Rags 123 Actor. He seems to be very observant bystander.

Originally Posted by actor

wrong. There are things about Obama I don't like, and will admit that he has made mistakes. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend him from the blind hatred and lunacy prevalent on this forum.

I dont want to get into it with you again, but have you heard about the press conference today where for about 10 minutes Carney ducked questions on what plan does the President have and finally admitted he HAS NONE !!!

NO PLAN by the President of the US on a serious budget crisis only a threat of a veto...and that threat given right after calling for compromise.

Look this guy has been all his life and continues to be...it is his way or the highway and yet you defend him.

It is not mistakes that are scary..nobody is perfect...it is the total open lying and lack of leadership. Read the polls...folks are running from this guy in droves. This morning on Morning Joe, former rep Ford who always supports him...this morning he expressed his displeasure on how he is handling this.

I dont care if Mickey Mouse runs against this guy..he must be defeated.

You can call me the regular names..racist, Bushie, far right nut case...whatever....none of that fits...READ ABOUT THIS MAN...READ HIS BACKGROUND..INVESTIGATE THINGS HE HAS SAID AND NOT DONE....Do what nobody in the media did in 2008

Originally Posted by actor

wrong. There are things about Obama I don't like, and will admit that he has made mistakes. On the other hand, I feel the need to defend him from the blind hatred and lunacy prevalent on this forum.

Really?; well that's interesting if true. There are mistakes that you feel this President has made? You've never in any posting ever indicated this that I remember. Not even in your previous persona. Please refresh my memory.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Really?; well that's interesting if true. There are mistakes that you feel this President has made? You've never in any posting ever indicated this that I remember. Not even in your previous persona. Please refresh my memory.

posted that I was very upset when he came out in favor of Israel retreating to pre-1967 borders. I also am willing to admit that the stimulus plan failed to do what he said it would. I also agree with other posters who complained about the backroom deals he made to get his healthcare plan through, although I think a lot of that had to do with the culture of Washington, and how legislation gets enacted there. Happy now? I've now found fault with the president three more times than you ever have with any Republican. And I have no idea what you are mean when you refer to my previous persona.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I dont want to get into it with you again, but have you heard about the press conference today where for about 10 minutes Carney ducked questions on what plan does the President have and finally admitted he HAS NONE !!!

NO PLAN by the President of the US on a serious budget crisis only a threat of a veto...and that threat given right after calling for compromise.

Look this guy has been all his life and continues to be...it is his way or the highway and yet you defend him.

It is not mistakes that are scary..nobody is perfect...it is the total open lying and lack of leadership. Read the polls...folks are running from this guy in droves. This morning on Morning Joe, former rep Ford who always supports him...this morning he expressed his displeasure on how he is handling this.

I dont care if Mickey Mouse runs against this guy..he must be defeated.

You can call me the regular names..racist, Bushie, far right nut case...whatever....none of that fits...READ ABOUT THIS MAN...READ HIS BACKGROUND..INVESTIGATE THINGS HE HAS SAID AND NOT DONE....Do what nobody in the media did in 2008

missed something. The latest polls I've seen on the debt ceiling issue show that by a wide margin, people blame the Republicans in the House for the continuing stalemate. People want politicians in Washington who are willing to compromise. I listened to the president's speech last night and he laid out a fairly reasonable plan. Apparently not to your liking. I think your emotions are interfering with your thinking here.

Originally Posted by actor

posted that I was very upset when he came out in favor of Israel retreating to pre-1967 borders. I also am willing to admit that the stimulus plan failed to do what he said it would. I also agree with other posters who complained about the backroom deals he made to get his healthcare plan through, although I think a lot of that had to do with the culture of Washington, and how legislation gets enacted there. Happy now? I've now found fault with the president three more times than you ever have with any Republican. And I have no idea what you are mean when you refer to my previous persona.

Well, it serves no purpose to criticize those out of power. I have to agree with your assessment of things Obama has done in a wrongheaded way and am surprised by your candor, frankly.

I have criticized Bush often, but not since he's been out of office. He's been exemplary in his conduct since leaving office and Clinton doesn't do near as well, and Carter is an absolute disgrace, to this day.

I absolutely have no love for John McCain and swore I wouldn't vote for him in 2008; but in the end I did because I had no choice because I knew the Marxist that was running against him, even thought McCain is a RINO or a flip-flopper in the first order at best.

You seem to write like someone I know. It's very reminiscent. I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Well, it serves no purpose to criticize those out of power. I have to agree with your assessment of things Obama has done in a wrongheaded way and am surprised by your candor, frankly.

I have criticized Bush often, but not since he's been out of office. He's been exemplary in his conduct since leaving office and Clinton doesn't do near as well, and Carter is an absolute disgrace, to this day.

I absolutely have no love for John McCain and swore I wouldn't vote for him in 2008; but in the end I did because I had no choice because I knew the Marxist that was running against him, even thought McCain is a RINO or a flip-flopper in the first order at best.

You seem to write like someone I know. It's very reminiscent. I could be wrong.

Carter is my least favorite president ever. I voted for Bush in 2004, because I did not like Kerry. I agree with you about Bush's behavior since he left office, and think he's a good guy who never should have been president. BTW, I also think Obama made a huge mistake when he took office by not focusing all his energies on jobs, not healthcare. He mistakenly thought that his stimulus plan would get the economy growing again, and he was wrong.

Originally Posted by actor

Carter is my least favorite president ever. I voted for Bush in 2004, because I did not like Kerry. I agree with you about Bush's behavior since he left office, and think he's a good guy who never should have been president. BTW, I also think Obama made a huge mistake when he took office by not focusing all his energies on jobs, not healthcare. He mistakenly thought that his stimulus plan would get the economy growing again, and he was wrong.

Holy moly!!! Jekyll and Hyde?

I voted for Bush only because I did not want Gore or Kerry for President.
I was disappointed in his fiscal irresponsibility. I also agree that Obama should have focused on Jobs and not healthcare. But I do not understand your constant defending of Obama.

Originally Posted by actor

missed something. The latest polls I've seen on the debt ceiling issue show that by a wide margin, people blame the Republicans in the House for the continuing stalemate. People want politicians in Washington who are willing to compromise. I listened to the president's speech last night and he laid out a fairly reasonable plan. Apparently not to your liking. I think your emotions are interfering with your thinking here.

I for one would be interested to hear those specifics that you heard. Seem the Presidential press secy is not even aware of a plan that is actually written down.

Please share...SPECIFICS please,not his usual generalities !

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Holy moly!!! Jekyll and Hyde?

I voted for Bush only because I did not want Gore or Kerry for President.
I was disappointed in his fiscal irresponsibility. I also agree that Obama should have focused on Jobs and not healthcare. But I do not understand your constant defending of Obama.

agenda but am willing to find fault with Obama or any other Democrat when it is warranted. It's easy for me to defend the President when he is attacked by a bunch of intolerant, hatemongers which unfortunately some of his critics are. I remember all too clearly the birth certificate issue, and the charges that he's really a Muslim, he's a terrorist, he's hates America,etc. It's shameful really, and there's nothing you can say to me to get me to believe that many of his detractors don't feel this way.

Originally Posted by actor

agenda but am willing to find fault with Obama or any other Democrat when it is warranted. It's easy for me to defend the President when he is attacked by a bunch of intolerant, hatemongers which unfortunately some of his critics are. I remember all too clearly the birth certificate issue, and the charges that he's really a Muslim, he's a terrorist, he's hates America,etc. It's shameful really, and there's nothing you can say to me to get me to believe that many of his detractors don't feel this way.

This is very predictable and a great example....

You are asked to detail exactly what the Presidents plan is, and you can only say that you agree with the Democratic PARTY agenda. Thats it.

Secondly, it is inevitable that when you criticize this President, you will be charged with being intolerant, hate monger...then you go to the race issue,,,,,it is totally inevitable.

I might add, that you forget that our previous president was called so much more in so much more graphic language, but I suppose that was just fine,

Again, and I have experienced this first hand...crticize the President and you will NOT hear about the issues or specifics....BUT YOU WILL HEAR how you are a racist, a hatemonger and any other personal issues that can be thought of.

You make everyones case on this one....very very very typical.

Originally Posted by Bucco

This is very predictable and a great example....

You are asked to detail exactly what the Presidents plan is, and you can only say that you agree with the Democratic PARTY agenda. Thats it.

Secondly, it is inevitable that when you criticize this President, you will be charged with being intolerant, hate monger...then you go to the race issue,,,,,it is totally inevitable.

I might add, that you forget that our previous president was called so much more in so much more graphic language, but I suppose that was just fine,

Again, and I have experienced this first hand...crticize the President and you will NOT hear about the issues or specifics....BUT YOU WILL HEAR how you are a racist, a hatemonger and any other personal issues that can be thought of.

You make everyones case on this one....very very very typical.

in detail every aspect of our budget and where cuts should and shouldn't be made, as you seem to think you are. . I know enough that I don't want to see Medicare turned into a voucher program as Rep. Ryan advocates. I also know that Sen. Reid's plan has more cuts in spending than Boehner's plan, because it includes more cuts in our bloated defense budget. I also know that I'd rather see the wealthiest 1-2 percent pay some additional taxes than to see us cut Pell grants , healthcare services to the needy, etc. And no, it is not inevitable that when you criticize the president you will be called a racist and a hatemonger. When you question where he was born, his religion, his love of country, then yes I believe those are hateful and many on the right are guilty of this. Questioning him on legitimate issues is fine. Got it now, or is this too complicated for you?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Actor, nobody will take you serious when you throw sticks and stones at everybody. Why do you always feel the need to insult everybody who does not agree with you?

in kind.

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."


Overuse, don't ya think?