Originally Posted by Jim007

I would not be surprised if Joe was a Rep. plant to help the McCain campaign to build this imaginary character called Joe the plumber. He's a cartoon, nothing more.

Interesting thought!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Villages Kahuna;167353]Basically, what the Obama tax plan does is to reverse the tilt of tax benefits for the wealthiest Americans which occurred under the tax reductions enacted during the first six years of the Bush administration. Under Obama's plan those that benefitted by the more generous reductions won't be paying any more than they were before the Bush tax reductions were enacted.

People argue that the Obama plan is "income redistribution". I suppose maybe it is...back to the way it was before the current president, along with his party who controlled Congress for the first six years of his administration, changed the tax rates to a scale more beneficial to the wealthiest Americans.

I suppose one might even observe that it was the group that benefited the most that were more generous with their campaign contributions, if that might have had anything to do with the revised tax rates.



Interesting use of words. "tilt" The tax system already has the top 10% of earners paying 50% of the taxes. Seems to me that if there is a "tilt" it is already against the top 10%. "benefited" Wow, it must be a privilege to be benefited by paying the highest tax rate in the country.

"Income redistribution" So, first the top 10% were paying more than anyone else in the country, then that terrible Republican Congress cut their taxes back to a max 35%. How awful for everyone else that they don't pay 35% also. Let's see, first we were REALLY taxing them at the highest rate, then we were more "beneficial" to those rich people by only really (lower case denotes less) taxing them at 35%. We're "redistributing" the wealthy peoples money less than we use to, how awful.

I would hope that the people who have earned HIGH INCOME gave more to their respective campaigns. They have more to contribute after all. I'd hate to see people that BENEFIT from wealth redistribution have to part with their money for their candidate. What have they got to gain being on the receiving end, after all.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Joe was not at a McCain rally, he WAS at an Obama rally. Joe heard Obama say that if he made more than $250,000, he was going to raise his tax so Obama could "spread the wealth around". Sounds more like a Marxist rally to me.

Did you notice that the Obama campaign and the partisans are discrediting, demeaning and attacking old Joe the Plumber personally and not on the message he provoked from Obama. Defend the message, don't personally attack an American worker who dreams and aspires to business ownership and dares to ask Obama what his plan would mean for his future. Shame on those that attack Joe personally instead of on his question and more precisely Obama's answer.

Obama said he intends to take more taxes from hardworking business owners who earn more than $250,000 a year to "spread the wealth", his words. He refers to business owners, who created jobs, who built businesses through vision, hard work, personal risk taking and sacrifice. Business owners who pay their fair share of taxes already. Obama wants to tax their success even more, create further entitlement by "spreading " and handing out more of the fruits of their blood, sweat and tears to those less ambitious, creative and imaginative. Another, liberal "let's make everybody a homeowner" scheme. We know how that little big government gem ended up.

How discouraging for American entrepreneurship. Pursuing the American dream is becoming sitting back, collecting a check from the National Treasury and letting the government rob and plunder hardworking, ambitious, creative people so Washington can dole out crumbs to appease the masses and secure enough votes to keep themselves in comfortable offices, big pensions, big houses and incredible health insurance for life. You can see I am arguably, not a fan of big government, but open minded enough to hear from others who would like to defend it.

Obama's remarks, beg the question, who is going to decide the recipients of this tainted government transfer of wealth? How much more is going to go to who? Whose ox is going to get gored next? Oh, that's right, our efficient, fair government in the Capitol is going to be the dollee. I bet ACORN is at the top of the dole list.

"The Proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism."

Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev famously used an expression generally translated into English as "We will bury you!" while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.

On August 24, 1963, Khrushchev himself remarked in his speech in Yugoslavia, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you," a reference to the Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism"; a popular articulation of the materialist conception of history as the inevitable progression of class struggle towards communism. Wikipedia

Obama through his "spreading the wealth" socialism, is pitting the classes in America against each other. Why are you attacking Joe the Plumber?

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Surprise, surprise....the predictions of Joe the Plumber's ignoble demise after his 15 minutes of fame are belied by his continuing proliferation on the talk show and news circuit. I just watched him giving energy saving tips to the public followed by an interesting and insightful interview on the election. You might say he was almost Obamaesque in his "cool" style.

Joe is becoming his own cottage industry. He may not need that plumbing license after all. Elitists who caught his "act", might say he was articulate and quite philosophical.... for a plumber... about the heat he has been taking from Obamaites and the liberal media. This would be the same media that has internationally exposed the most trivial flaws in the plumber's life history but can't figure out where Obama was born or where "that one's" huge overseas contributions are coming from. At least until after the election. Hmmmm.

You go Joe!

15 minutes? Contrarian views welcome.

How bout those Red Sox!!!!!

.....and they said Joe the plumber would only have 15 minutes....Joe has secured immortality with his own page in Wikipedia.....You go Joe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_the_Plumber