Except for now -- absolutely the best time!

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Absolutely.
Peace and Love.

I am trying not to hate you guys right now. This would be my greatest area of envy...era envy...

I was born in 1962. I would have given my left buckeyenut to see The Doors...or Cream...or Hendrix. Woodstock? I would have been front row center. I love the music of that era and have a huge collection. At 46, I still sing professionally and do Jim Morrison pretty much spot on. I found a video of It's A Beautiful Day on youtube...it was amazing! I have worn that cd out. White Bird...in a golden cage...

I also missed Led Zeppelin and The Who in their prime. I missed it all.

You know what I got? The 80's!

Sweathogs, those ugly clothes and disco! It is hard to look cool when your parents buy you a leisure suit and take you to the Moose Lodge to square dance. You guys are dropping a lid and I get aerobics...

You get the Strawberry Alarm Clock...The Zombies...Electric Prunes...Cosby, Stills, Nash and Young...Tommy James...The Turtles...Mamas and Papas...Janis!...Pink Floyd...Good Morning, Starshine and Valley of the Dolls.

I got adam ant, Boy George and the sex pistols. All my leaves were not brown and the sky was not gray and that is not fair.

I do have one thing though...I own every episode of The Mod Squad!

You had The Godfather...

I had Ishtar!

You had H.R.Pufinstuff and damn, dirty apes!

No....I can't do this to myself any longer...good night!

We need to start a music of the 60's and 70's thread now...

oh, I do thank God and the heavens above that I did miss that awful war...God Bless our troops of yesterday and today.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

...and that includes golf carts....

It's a shame that most of the "harmless pot smokers" never get to see the violence involved in the smuggling. Marijuana smuggling along the Southwest border is one of the three main reasons for the internal wars within Mexico involving the drug cartels, the Mexican Army, and the Mexican Police - with the populace caught in the middle. Those US urbanites who think it's "cool" to get a dime bag for party use never see the lives ruined or lost in the "supply" side of the equation - and probably don't give a darn, as long as they can "be cool."

Violence is used in the robbing of jewelry stores and banks, also, so let's outlaw diamonds and money!! Watch the movie Blood Diamond, too, and you will see the "supply" side violence of that industry.

Originally Posted by REH7380

OK, they are stopping raids on the clubs which I think is consistent with my point that they are not going to enforce or control (federal basis) some pot usage (e.g. at the clubs which is a beginning). You can argue small points but the overall fact is that more usage will result from less enforcement's.
If your point is that is OK then so be it and you have a right to your opinion.
As far as getting facts straight lets agree that 2 Therapists with more than 50years of treating drug and alcohol additions will support that pot is a gateway drug and in fact in one case one said that a significant majority of heavy drugs users which were treated started with pot.
Is your mind clearer or more foggy when using drugs, is there a better picture of reality when using than not using, is there more or less crime when more drugs are used? And so on. I also understand that the federal government would turn the control/enforcement over to the states. Again, one less control over usage, (e.g. federal government stopping any single form of enforcement.)
I am not a fanatic on the subject but just believe it is not a plus to any society.

so if this is a new TV club sign me up lol

Originally Posted by RCT

Violence is used in the robbing of jewelry stores and banks, also, so let's outlaw diamonds and money!! Watch the movie Blood Diamond, too, and you will see the "supply" side violence of that industry.

And that proves what?

If people want to justify their reasons for breaking the law because other laws are also being broken, I can't debate illogic!

In the end it's always a simple thing. If you don't like the laws, see if you can get them changed. If you do, hooray for you. If you don't, your options are obvious.

What a world we have if the policy is, " I obey all the laws I want to, and don't obey those I don't like because they keep me from doing what I want to. "

With regards to the person who would have liked to be at Woodstock. Actually the action was in the little town of Bethel outside of Woodstock and it was on farmers field. The field was totally mud, the attendee's were covered with mud, most high and I seriously doubt if they ever remembered where they had been or what they had heard. There was great music playing to a drugged out crowd. Even today if you go to Woodstock on the weekends there are old hippies in the little square and the little booths sell pot pipes and other drug paraphernalia. It is also a town of some wealth with a lot of the citizens spending weekends up from New York City. In fact on Sunday you can watch the bus from NYC pick up the old hippies as they go back to the City.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

And that proves what?

If people want to justify their reasons for breaking the law because other laws are also being broken, I can't debate illogic!

In the end it's always a simple thing. If you don't like the laws, see if you can get them changed. If you do, hooray for you. If you don't, your options are obvious.

What a world we have if the policy is, " I obey all the laws I want to, and don't obey those I don't like because they keep me from doing what I want to. "

The statement was about the violence used in the drug cartels, and such, which sounded like a justification for the arguement of upholding drug laws. My point is, that in so many other bizzes, there is violence, also. And look at the damage done without violence, in embzzlement, pyramid schemes, and so many others, doing just as much damage to people, yet, since it is a "white collar" crime, the penalties are not nearly as steep, even though these infractions cause loss of peoples life savings, bizzes, families, and also sometimes life, as people get so distraught and take their own lives. Wether you agree with legalization or not, Holland has such lax drug laws, and per capita, has an incredibly low rate of theft, robberies, and murder. Those are facts. Boils down to me, that I am a proponent of getting federal government out of the people's hair as much as possible, for economic and legal reasons, and leaving it to local towns, counties, and states to make policy for their area, as I believe our constitution was truely meant to be. Is a very good debate, and glad to see this thread has taken the high road, (no pun intended, well, maybe a little) and not got as nasty as so many other topics in the politcal category.

Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.

The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

If you are interested, from a political point of view, Pot has a very interesting history:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stori...naIllegal.html

Originally Posted by Yoda

Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.

The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

If you are interested, from a political point of view, Pot has a very interesting history:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stori...naIllegal.html

Kinda like the stimulus package.....

Well, if the Democratic Party Members of Congress want to reverse federal drug laws, (and can get 3 Republicans in the Senate to agree), then the laws change. UNTIL THEN, the law is still the law.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

Kinda like the stimulus package.....

Well, if the Democratic Party Members of Congress want to reverse federal drug laws, (and can get 3 Republicans in the Senate to agree), then the laws change. UNTIL THEN, the law is still the law.

You know, don't know about you, but 90 percent of Americans break laws all the time in their own bedrooms. Do you know the local laws about sex in so many places state some normal sexual acts are illegal? And for what, the religious right, which, in case you don't know, are sometimes the biggest breakers of these laws? I agree with you, that, if we don't agree with a law, we have two choices, but, when the laws are so archaic, sometimes, just have to say forget it. And if you have never broken a law, then by all means, cast the first stone.

The Wall Street Journal has reported that the new Obama policy on marijuana use and regulation will be an 'economic stimulus' for the Mexican drug cartels. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123595140575504953.html

In a side note, legislation legalizing marijuana sales through the state and taxing it are under serious discussion in the CA legislature. This is an attempt to close the budget deficit. This is no minor source of cash. Marijuana is CA'a biggest cash crop as it is for Florida, Kentucky and many other states. Ever get the feeling that the criminalization of marijuana is about as effective as trying to push a rope up an icy hill?

Originally Posted by REH7380

With regards to the person who would have liked to be at Woodstock. Actually the action was in the little town of Bethel outside of Woodstock and it was on farmers field. The field was totally mud, the attendee's were covered with mud, most high and I seriously doubt if they ever remembered where they had been or what they had heard. There was great music playing to a drugged out crowd. Even today if you go to Woodstock on the weekends there are old hippies in the little square and the little booths sell pot pipes and other drug paraphernalia. It is also a town of some wealth with a lot of the citizens spending weekends up from New York City. In fact on Sunday you can watch the bus from NYC pick up the old hippies as they go back to the City.

Yeah, that was me. I was attempting to send you all on a trip into the past and add some humor to it...guess I was to tired to succeed. I have seen the movie a half dozen times...it looks like it would have been great for a while...but getting home would have really been awful.

The Woodstock I would like to visit now is in Illinois...where they filmed Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNuts

Yeah, that was me. I was attempting to send you all on a trip into the past and add some humor to it...guess I was to tired to succeed. I have seen the movie a half dozen times...it looks like it would have been great for a while...but getting home would have really been awful.

The Woodstock I would like to visit now is in Illinois...where they filmed Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.

Buckeye, I enjoyed your trip into the past. Even though I'm a Canadian I lived in California during the 1960s. It was truly a fun time with GREAT music.

Originally Posted by BuckeyeNuts

Yeah, that was me. I was attempting to send you all on a trip into the past and add some humor to it...guess I was to tired to succeed. I have seen the movie a half dozen times...it looks like it would have been great for a while...but getting home would have really been awful.

The Woodstock I would like to visit now is in Illinois...where they filmed Groundhog Day with Bill Murray.

You gave me a good laugh as I went down memory lane.
Thanks for the trip!

As the saying goes, "if you can remember Woodstock, then you weren't there".