The Democrat(Liberal) movement wants a secular social system which excludes God from public schools and public buildings.

Democrats(Liberals) want the Government to be our supreme power.

They want the private sector to do only what the Government wants them to do and to produce only what the Government tells them to produce.

The Democrats(Liberals) want the Government to manage and dictate our medical sevices, our education system and nearly all aspects of our lives.

The Democrats(Liberals) want to take from the producers and give to the non producers.

Many Democrats(Liberals) claim they do not think this way yet they continue to vote Democrat.

What kind of strange thinking makes Democrats(Liberals) vote to intentionally destroy our way of life.

God protect us from our self destruction.

Originally Posted by cashman

The Democrat(Liberal) movement wants a secular social system which excludes God from public schools and public buildings.

Democrats(Liberals) want the Government to be our supreme power.

They want the private sector to do only what the Government wants them to do and to produce only what the Government tells them to produce.

The Democrats(Liberals) want the Government to manage and dictate our medical sevices, our education system and nearly all aspects of our lives.

The Democrats(Liberals) want to take from the producers and give to the non producers.

Many Democrats(Liberals) claim they do not want these things yet continue to vote Democrat.

What kind of strange thinking makes Democrats(Liberals) vote to intentionally destroy our way of life.

God protect us from our self destruction.

They also think that if they can get rid of God, they get rid of our inalienable rights that we were endowed with by said God (Creator)

Yoda

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

-- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, opening page

This is the man that Hillary Rodham (Clinton) praised when she wrote her senior thesis at Wellesley College in 1969. She, like Obama, gives high praise to this man and are using his tactics to change America.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/19154398/R...ing-PowerPoint

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

-- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, opening page

This is the man that Hillary Rodham (Clinton) praised when she wrote her senior thesis at Wellesley College in 1969. She, like Obama, gives high praise to this man and are using his tactics to change America.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/19154398/R...ing-PowerPoint

Yes, I have the book. "Know Thy Enemy."

Yoda

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

It isn't a mental disorder by any stretch of your imagination. Most people who are liberals have good intentions. But some of them don't, or can't reason beyond their intentions to what a great country this is and the Constitutional foundation that has supported us for many, many years.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

It isn't a mental disorder by any stretch of your imagination. Most people who are liberals have good intentions. But some of them don't, or can't reason beyond their intentions to what a great country this is and the Constitutional foundation that has supported us for many, many years.

Still sounds like a mental disorder to me.

Not to start an argument but I would like to hear those views that you feel make you a liberal. Not a Democrat or a republican but a human being who is a liberal.

This is directed tp Laurie91423

Thanks

Yoda

and credo of their party......as long as it does not affect them!!

Perhaps the reason why we do not hear from so very many of them...eh?

btk

Since I've been accused of being a Liberal here, I'll comment on each of your points and you can decide for yourself..

Originally Posted by cashman

The Democrat(Liberal) movement wants a secular social system which excludes God from public schools and public buildings.

Democrats(Liberals) want the Government to be our supreme power.

They want the private sector to do only what the Government wants them to do and to produce only what the Government tells them to produce.

The Democrats(Liberals) want the Government to manage and dictate our medical sevices, our education system and nearly all aspects of our lives.

The Democrats(Liberals) want to take from the producers and give to the non producers.

Many Democrats(Liberals) claim they do not think this way yet they continue to vote Democrat.

What kind of strange thinking makes Democrats(Liberals) vote to intentionally destroy our way of life.

God protect us from our self destruction.

1. Damn right. God belongs in the home and church. It has no place in the public world. See how good "God" worked in Northern Ireland, the Middle East and Africa. Even Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, knew that.

2. I'd prefer if government was the REFEREE. They should be setting the rules and ensuring equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

3. There are times when the government SHOULD step in (like when rivers catch fire). That being said, they're going too far for my tastes.

4. Private insurance companies are reporting record profits. Yeah, right, government takeover - it was really a government BOONDOGGLE for them. As far as education goes, I honestly believe that the FEDERAL government should be doing little more than developing nationwide standards.

5. One COULD argue that the Other Party wants to give it all to the Oligarchy but that's a complicated argument. Fact: Our personal income taxes are lower than anytime since about the 1940s. (although our corporate taxes are 2nd worst in the industrialized world)

6. Obama was the first time I ever voted for a Democrat in the general election.

7. You start off with a question "What kind of thinking..." but end with a period. You're convinced that destruction is imminent from the tone of your post but you proceeding from thinking your opinions are fact. Reagan sad the tax cuts would eliminate the deficit. Obama said the stimulus would stop unemplyment's growth at 8.5%. Both were wrong. The Republic will survive - we just don't know in what shape.

8. "God" nothing. Pray all you want - NOTHING will help unless people help themselves. I could have prayed until starvation in 2004 and it would have done me no good. Vote. Work. Save your money. Speak out - and avoid demagoguery so that your opponents can't TOUCH you. Lying or exaggerating just to make things sounds bigger than your opponent do you no good. The Democrats did it about Palin - and she had enough faults to self-destruct ANYway. The GOP does it about Obama (like claiming Obama wants to rescind ALL the Bush tax cuts).

to say "GOD nothing and that praying doesn't help.
You are only qualified in both cases to speak for yourself.
GOD and prayer plays a larger role in the lives of most Americans...always did..always has...always will.
Thank GOD for that.

It has only been in recent years with the decay of our moral standards, the political correctness disease, the don't offend anybody syndrome and the disgusting catering to special interest minority (not race) groups has there been a so called cry to get rid of the symbols of many of our core values.

The majority rules....or at least it used to until current times. It seems to be OK to go against the will of the people to satisfy the few. Upset the many is OK...so the few can go on to the next value to destroy. Makes no sense.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

to say "GOD nothing and that praying doesn't help.
You are only qualified in both cases to speak for yourself.
GOD and prayer plays a larger role in the lives of most Americans...always did..always has...always will.
Thank GOD for that.

It has only been in recent years with the decay of our moral standards, the political correctness disease, the don't offend anybody syndrome and the disgusting catering to special interest minority (not race) groups has there been a so called cry to get rid of the symbols of many of our core values.

The majority rules....or at least it used to until current times. It seems to be OK to go against the will of the people to satisfy the few. Upset the many is OK...so the few can go on to the next value to destroy. Makes no sense.

btk

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Originally Posted by djplong

Since I've been accused of being a Liberal here, I'll comment on each of your points and you can decide for yourself..



1. Damn right. God belongs in the home and church. It has no place in the public world. See how good "God" worked in Northern Ireland, the Middle East and Africa. Even Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, knew that.

2. I'd prefer if government was the REFEREE. They should be setting the rules and ensuring equal opportunity, not equal outcome.

3. There are times when the government SHOULD step in (like when rivers catch fire). That being said, they're going too far for my tastes.

4. Private insurance companies are reporting record profits. Yeah, right, government takeover - it was really a government BOONDOGGLE for them. As far as education goes, I honestly believe that the FEDERAL government should be doing little more than developing nationwide standards.

5. One COULD argue that the Other Party wants to give it all to the Oligarchy but that's a complicated argument. Fact: Our personal income taxes are lower than anytime since about the 1940s. (although our corporate taxes are 2nd worst in the industrialized world)

6. Obama was the first time I ever voted for a Democrat in the general election.

7. You start off with a question "What kind of thinking..." but end with a period. You're convinced that destruction is imminent from the tone of your post but you proceeding from thinking your opinions are fact. Reagan sad the tax cuts would eliminate the deficit. Obama said the stimulus would stop unemplyment's growth at 8.5%. Both were wrong. The Republic will survive - we just don't know in what shape.

8. "God" nothing. Pray all you want - NOTHING will help unless people help themselves. I could have prayed until starvation in 2004 and it would have done me no good. Vote. Work. Save your money. Speak out - and avoid demagoguery so that your opponents can't TOUCH you. Lying or exaggerating just to make things sounds bigger than your opponent do you no good. The Democrats did it about Palin - and she had enough faults to self-destruct ANYway. The GOP does it about Obama (like claiming Obama wants to rescind ALL the Bush tax cuts).

I have seen most of your postings. If I had not I would consider this posting by you to be the confession of an avowed socialist.

Sorry????????????? There do you feel better.

Originally Posted by billethkid

to say "GOD nothing and that praying doesn't help.
You are only qualified in both cases to speak for yourself.
GOD and prayer plays a larger role in the lives of most Americans...always did..always has...always will.
Thank GOD for that.

It has only been in recent years with the decay of our moral standards, the political correctness disease, the don't offend anybody syndrome and the disgusting catering to special interest minority (not race) groups has there been a so called cry to get rid of the symbols of many of our core values.

The majority rules....or at least it used to until current times. It seems to be OK to go against the will of the people to satisfy the few. Upset the many is OK...so the few can go on to the next value to destroy. Makes no sense.

btk

Let me be more specific then - prayer without action will do nothing. You can sit there and be as pious as you want - but without DOING something, nothing will happen.

And "the recent years" of our moral decay??? While I agree that you can point to several things that aren't as they should be - would you rather go back to those more 'godly' times of slavery, treating women like chattel, tribal warfare, etc? And I grant you that this is my personal hot button, but to claim that the moral decay of the country is due to having 'God' expelled from public schools while the Catholic Church was out raping children shows a certain blindness.

Read what I wrote - God belongs in the home and the Church. I recall a certain passage regarding the opinion Jesus had of people who had to shout their faith from everywhere and make it known to everyone.

Majority rules? If that were true, blacks would still be in the back of the bus and drinking from "colored" fountains and being arrested at "whites only" places!

Even the founding fathers spoke of the "tyranny of the majority".

That being said, we DO seem to be going a little overboard in what the word "accomodate" means when it comes to the government.

Originally Posted by djplong

Let me be more specific then - prayer without action will do nothing. You can sit there and be as pious as you want - but without DOING something, nothing will happen.

And "the recent years" of our moral decay??? While I agree that you can point to several things that aren't as they should be - would you rather go back to those more 'godly' times of slavery, treating women like chattel, tribal warfare, etc? And I grant you that this is my personal hot button, but to claim that the moral decay of the country is due to having 'God' expelled from public schools while the Catholic Church was out raping children shows a certain blindness.

Read what I wrote - God belongs in the home and the Church. I recall a certain passage regarding the opinion Jesus had of people who had to shout their faith from everywhere and make it known to everyone.

Majority rules? If that were true, blacks would still be in the back of the bus and drinking from "colored" fountains and being arrested at "whites only" places!

Even the founding fathers spoke of the "tyranny of the majority".

That being said, we DO seem to be going a little overboard in what the word "accomodate" means when it comes to the government.

Sometimes I don't think we can see the forest for the trees when we try to have discussions like this. We all have many valid and good points, but often it comes to arguing apples and oranges. You can't paint everything in such broad strokes like when you jump from moral decay and having Christian values back in this nation to segregation and tribal warfare. It doesn't make sense to me. There's much more in the discussion than just generalization like some we all make.

For instance, I don't personally think the Catholic Church should take the victim's posture. But when you clump all Catholics or the Catholic Church under a shadow of the sins of some, that is what some have been chastised for when it comes to Islam and the Muslims on this forum.