A very good friend of mine is a surgeon from Florida. His office was beside an abortion clinic. He told me the story of going to and from work every day watching the protesters on both sides. He and his wife were born again Christians. They'd pray for the women and hoped they'd see the error of their ways and prayed for God's mercy upon them.

He told me that one day at lunch, the crowd wasn't too big and he went over, sort of called to go over, and talked to some of the pro-Abortion protesters. He wanted to know what motivated them to support something he found fundamentally wrong.

During the discussion, one of the women said something that stuck in his mind and he took it home to his wife, and then they both took it to God in prayer. The woman told my friend something along the lines of, well if they don't kill the babies, are you going to adopt one to support or complain when you have to support it on welfare?

Well, they later adopted three. The point, he told me, wasn't that they had changed his mind about abortion being right or wrong. The point was he saw he wasn't doing anything to help the problem and personally took it upon himself to help a child and a mother. He said his children are living proof abortion is wrong, but he put his beliefs into action.

He said supporting abortions didn't solve the wrongs presented by his beliefs against abortion. Just like supporting assistance to the poor doesn't solve the problems of the poor. Getting the government involved and taking money from people in the form of taxation to solve a problem doesn't make sense to me anymore than supporting taxpayer assistance to those in need of better health care or better public education or housing to solve the problem.

It just doesn't make sense to me how throwing money at a problem and growing government helps.

You speak with mouth guided by great knowledge. Just knowing you are out there, I hereby promise to slow down and answer folks posts with more caution to avoid misunderstanding. It is easy to argue with idiots, but with you I see the possibility of conversations that will make my eye brows come close together in a way that expresses WOW.

In my first day back on the political forum, I have snapped back, made unsubstantiated statements and even some that are contradictory to my true beliefs. Forgive me and again, I look forward to sparing or agreeing with you, but both will be in a civil manor.

Lou

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not speaking for anyone but me but good opinions.

Again you are oversimplifying it all. To be against government programs that simply dole out money for whatever reason does not make you someone who is spoiled or not caring.

Allow me to use the housing problem which has affected everyone rich, poor and in between. It was programs made to allow the folks you talk about to buy homes..no questions...they cant get a mortgage and somehow it was decided they DESERVE it. Ok...programs put in place to GIVE....and you see the results.

You are labeling anyone who is against HAND OUTS as someone who is against CHARITY and GIVING. THERE is a huge difference

Very well said Bucco. Even the idiots should understand that.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

You speak with mouth guided by great knowledge. Just knowing you are out there, I hereby promise to slow down and answer folks posts with more caution to avoid misunderstanding. It is easy to argue with idiots, but with you I see the possibility of conversations that will make my eye brows come close together in a way that expresses WOW.

In my first day back on the political forum, I have snapped back, made unsubstantiated statements and even some that are contradictory to my true beliefs. Forgive me and again, I look forward to sparing or agreeing with you, but both will be in a civil manor.

Lou

You over do the criticism of yourself and CERTAINLY AND FOR SURE over do laudatory remarks.

PLEASE keep posting what you feel. I can tell you that I have learned a lot from discussions and debates in forums. For some reason, those who have opposite views meaning left leaning or Democratic shy away from here. I realize that most posters now are leaning right, but during the campaign these folks felt strongly and have just disappeared.

Some will say that they get attacked personally when they come on here...I dont see that, and got to tell you during the campaign I was called a racist, bigot, Bushie and much much more on here AND IN PMS. I survived and so will you !~

Make sure you come back and bring your friends. I sure hope that more folks who support this President do come back.. at this point I see NOTHING to support but would welcome some input OTHER THAN Bush on the issues facing this administration !

Thank you Bucco. I will try to keep it fair and balanced like Mr O'riely and I will be steadfast when criticized, not aborting my own level headed thoughts due to anger with those Oh so nasty non thought out return slam dunks.

Can I at least say that, in my opinion, Glen Beck might just possibly be adding to the division in healthy discussion rather than providing guidance that would help bring both right and left more toward the center. Bless his little heart.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Thank you Bucco. I will try to keep it fair and balanced like Mr O'riely and I will be steadfast when criticized, not aborting my own level headed thoughts due to anger with those Oh so nasty non thought out return slam dunks.

Can I at least say that, in my opinion, Glen Beck might just possibly be adding to the division in healthy discussion rather than providing guidance that would help bring both right and left more toward the center. Bless his little heart.

Fair enough....I try not to watch too much of those who are clearly aligned with either side !!

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Thank you Bucco. I will try to keep it fair and balanced like Mr O'riely and I will be steadfast when criticized, not aborting my own level headed thoughts due to anger with those Oh so nasty non thought out return slam dunks.

Can I at least say that, in my opinion, Glen Beck might just possibly be adding to the division in healthy discussion rather than providing guidance that would help bring both right and left more toward the center. Bless his little heart.

Glenn Beck issues aside, is he any worse then Chris "tingles" Mathews?

Disclaimer: I do not watch Beck on TV. I have seen bits and pieces, but I rarely have the television on during the day.

What is it that he says that gets the left so angry and hateful? I have never seen so much hate and venom aimed at a TV personality like I have seen aimed at Mr. Beck.
Surely all this hate is not bringing us closer to the middle.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Also, I have not seen the light, but I would have voted for Castro if it would help get Chainy out of the white house. Him and his puppit (bush), were on the way to destroying this country.

Please read what I say and not what you think I say.

Proved my point. No Republican would say what you said. Thank for revealing your true self.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Thank you Bucco. I will try to keep it fair and balanced like Mr O'riely and I will be steadfast when criticized, not aborting my own level headed thoughts due to anger with those Oh so nasty non thought out return slam dunks.

Can I at least say that, in my opinion, Glen Beck might just possibly be adding to the division in healthy discussion rather than providing guidance that would help bring both right and left more toward the center. Bless his little heart.

What harm does Beck do by bringing us the truth?

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Glenn Beck issues aside, is he any worse then Chris "tingles" Mathews?

Disclaimer: I do not watch Beck on TV. I have seen bits and pieces, but I rarely have the television on during the day.

What is it that he says that gets the left so angry and hateful? I have never seen so much hate and venom aimed at a TV personality like I have seen aimed at Mr. Beck.
Surely all this hate is not bringing us closer to the middle.

I agree with much of what Glen Beck says, but the way he says it is what makes him hard to take. No one wants to ridiculed. Being of a different opinion does not make one brain dead, just different thats all. Mr Beck smirks at those that disagree with him in a way that reminds me of an X smoker or reformed alcoholic. Now that he finally understands whats perfect, if you don't agree with his ideals, you should self destruct to further his cause.

To me Mr Beck is like a car accident that you wish would not be there, but can't seem to look away. I just feel he fuels the fire of hate and misunderstanding between left and right. Without his kind, we could do so much good for this country as partners for improvement. Give me this as truth and I will give you the thumbs up on many of your opinions that I do in fact agree with. Give me nothing and I will be sarcastic as with my earlier posts and spew trash like the majority on this forum. I will be happy to work with you but will not be dictated to.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Give me nothing and I will be sarcastic as with my earlier posts and spew trash like the majority on this forum.

Now that's making friends and impressing people.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

I agree with much of what Glen Beck says, but the way he says it is what makes him hard to take. No one wants to ridiculed. Being of a different opinion does not make one brain dead, just different thats all. Mr Beck smirks at those that disagree with him in a way that reminds me of an X smoker or reformed alcoholic. Now that he finally understands whats perfect, if you don't agree with his ideals, you should self destruct to further his cause.

To me Mr Beck is like a car accident that you wish would not be there, but can't seem to look away. I just feel he fuels the fire of hate and misunderstanding between left and right. Without his kind, we could do so much good for this country as partners for improvement. Give me this as truth and I will give you the thumbs up on many of your opinions that I do in fact agree with. Give me nothing and I will be sarcastic as with my earlier posts and spew trash like the majority on this forum. I will be happy to work with you but will not be dictated to.

I think you focus too much on Glenn Beck. Obviously, you don't like his personality. I cannot stand to watch Chris Mathews. His personality rubs me the wrong way. There is another guy on(cannot remember his name) that drives me up a tree, too.

I try to focus on the facts and not be swayed by personalities. Unfortunately, people do vote on personalities. I asked my sister in law, who used to be conservative, why she voted for Obama. She said that she liked the way he talked. Can you imagine that?????

I firmly believe that if the media really vested this guy, there would not be a president Obama and this country would be in much better shape.

I just thought of his name, Keith Olbermann. What is up with that guy? I had him on one time and I thought it was some kind of joke. What is wrong with that guy????

His career has been in sports journalism. He went into news out of desperation when he had some kind of big fallout with ESPN or some sports network.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

I just thought of his name, Keith Olbermann. What is up with that guy? I had him on one time and I thought it was some kind of joke. What is wrong with that guy????

Olberman...now this guy will get a reaction from me. He is the most hate filled man I have ever seen on television.

While most restrict their comments to political and theoretical differences, this man spews hate at the most personal level possible. That is not journalism...that not taking one side over another....that is pure hate mongering !

That is my opinion...he is one who will get my ire going !