Originally Posted by Guest

Thank you for saving me the trouble.

Must be a liberal, if you expect others to do it for you. Just an observation.

Originally Posted by Guest

Close the borders and enforce the immigration laws currently on the books.

No sales of guns of any kind to anybody that does not have proof of USA citizenship.

No sales of guns to immigrants who have been in the USA less than 10 years.

Get Obama the hell out of office.

Do not vote for Clinton.

You suggest only US citizens should be allowed to purchase guns. Let's just take a look at the history of all mass shooting in Colorado and see if that would help.


Name:Robert Lewis Dear Born: KY Race: White
Noah Harpham CO White
James Holmes CA White
Matthew Murray CO White
Eric Harris KS White
Dyland Kliebold CO White
Nathan Dunlap IL African American

Every shooter was born in the USA, male and 90% were white.

Using your logic it would make more sense to ban gun sales to white males.

So lets work on that!!!!

Originally Posted by Guest

You suggest only US citizens should be allowed to purchase guns. Let's just take a look at the history of all mass shooting in Colorado and see if that would help.


Name:Robert Lewis Dear Born: KY Race: White
Noah Harpham CO White
James Holmes CA White
Matthew Murray CO White
Eric Harris KS White
Dyland Kliebold CO White
Nathan Dunlap IL African American

Every shooter was born in the USA, male and 90% were white.

Using your logic it would make more sense to ban gun sales to white males.

So lets work on that!!!!

I mile how you cherry pick, you are a ???????

Originally Posted by Guest

You suggest only US citizens should be allowed to purchase guns. Let's just take a look at the history of all mass shooting in Colorado and see if that would help.


Name:Robert Lewis Dear Born: KY Race: White
Noah Harpham CO White
James Holmes CA White
Matthew Murray CO White
Eric Harris KS White
Dyland Kliebold CO White
Nathan Dunlap IL African American

Every shooter was born in the USA, male and 90% were white.

Using your logic it would make more sense to ban gun sales to white males.

So lets work on that!!!!

I like how you cherry pick, you are a ???????

You are not going to stop terrorist attacks, other than via good intelligence (if at all). However, stricter enforcement of laws and penalties would help work some with individual murders. You will never do away with guns, so you are better off if good citizens are allowed to train in gun safety and state laws pertaining to the use of firearms. Putting down a criminal should not be deemed unfair. If he commits the crime, then he knows he might get killed. Executing convicted murderers would help as a deterrent for some crime. But most of your deaths by gun are suicides. Violent crime is down in the past fifteen years, believe it or not. And per capita, America is not even in the top five of countries with gun related deaths. And the countries ahead of us on the scale have very restrictive gun control.

Liberals will never get rid of our guns. They will only succeed in hindering self defense, which will cause MORE and MORE criminal gun deaths. Gun free zones are targets for criminals. The Police can not protect you, but they can take a report AFTER you are killed.

Originally Posted by Guest

You suggest only US citizens should be allowed to purchase guns. Let's just take a look at the history of all mass shooting in Colorado and see if that would help.


Name:Robert Lewis Dear Born: KY Race: White
Noah Harpham CO White
James Holmes CA White
Matthew Murray CO White
Eric Harris KS White
Dyland Kliebold CO White
Nathan Dunlap IL African American

Every shooter was born in the USA, male and 90% were white.

Using your logic it would make more sense to ban gun sales to white males.

So lets work on that!!!!

To avoid a pi$$ing contest let's assume we give you CO. What happens to your logic when the rest of the USA is factored in? And how far back in "history"?

Just academic questions not requiring an asnswer knowing in advance the discussion would go no where productive.

Originally Posted by Guest

I like how you cherry pick, you are a ???????

Here is the original post.....

Close the borders and enforce the immigration laws currently on the books.

Using all the mass shootings in CO all of the shooters were US citizens so this would not help

No sales of guns of any kind to anybody that does not have proof of USA citizenship.

Again using all of the mass shootings in CO all were US citizens so this would not help

No sales of guns to immigrants who have been in the USA less than 10 years.
Again using all of the mass shooting in CO all were US citizens so this would not help


Get Obama the hell out of office.

Of the 6 shootings in CO 4 have taken place while Obama was in office. Until the past month it would have been 2/2 but then we have had 2 mass shooting in the past month.


Do not vote for Clinton.

Not sure what this has to do with it.

Now don't you find it odd that all shooting in CO were committed by males and 90% by white males....what is your take on that?

Originally Posted by Guest

To avoid a pi$$ing contest let's assume we give you CO. What happens to your logic when the rest of the USA is factored in? And how far back in "history"?

Just academic questions not requiring an asnswer knowing in advance the discussion would go no where productive.

Should we pick another state or check for statistics? Your choice.

Originally Posted by Guest

Should we pick another state or check for statistics? Your choice.

What is it you would like to know?
They will find a state to match up with what ever answer suits their means.
If not they always have the fall back position....just make it up and keep repeating it!

Originally Posted by Guest

What is it you would like to know?
They will find a state to match up with what ever answer suits their means.
If not they always have the fall back position....just make it up and keep repeating it!

No one seems to want to look at the facts... A obvious right wing poster suggested some rules to help with these mass shootings. I put that theory to the test using statistics from the state where I have lived most of my 65 years. You can look them up yourselves just google mass shootings in Colorado.

In each case the gunman was a male and 90% of the time the male shooter was white.

In Colorado I have more to fear white male terrorists than Muslim terrorists just looking at the facts. Why is it so hard for you all to admit that fact? Are my stats wrong? Show me yours.....

Originally Posted by Guest

No one seems to want to look at the facts... A obvious right wing poster suggested some rules to help with these mass shootings. I put that theory to the test using statistics from the state where I have lived most of my 65 years. You can look them up yourselves just google mass shootings in Colorado.

In each case the gunman was a male and 90% of the time the male shooter was white.

In Colorado I have more to fear white male terrorists than Muslim terrorists just looking at the facts. Why is it so hard for you all to admit that fact? Are my stats wrong? Show me yours.....

So, lets explore your theory a little further. According to your supposition, doctors kill more people than gun toting murderers, so we should avoid doctors at all cost.
Automobiles kill more people than guns so we should avoid all machinery at all cost.

Anyone can take a stat and use it to their means.

Most of gun related death is due to suicide. There has been a reduction in violent crime in the last fifteen years, so that should be considered. Why? Could it be that the states that have concealed carry laws are reducing crime?

The gov cannot legislate less mental health problems. It CAN be an element of stress on the population when it becomes a nanny or micro-manager. That could be construed as a contributing factor.

You cannot lump mental health related mass killings with terrorist related mass killings. You cannot handle both in the same manner. Terrorism is fought with good intelligence, whereas mental health is much harder to pinpoint. No one knows when a person goes from strange to dangerous. I have a strange neighbor, but if he is not yet dangerous, he can't be committed for treatment. But, how do we know when he might (if ever) do something damaging? A person loses his mind and starts on a rampage does not make him a terrorist. That term needs to be modified to fit the incident so that it can be treated appropriately. You cannot treat mental health issues the same as radical extremism. You cannot continue to be PC when dealing with radical Islamic extremists, terrorists. The first rule of treatment for a disease is admitting it exists and classifying it appropriately.

Mental health is not political, no matter what party that person/perpetrator is registered as. Terrorism IS political but party affiliation should not be an element toward treatment. If our leaders cannot label real terrorism, but use the term incorrectly for political gains on the mentally impaired, then those leaders are impotent and ignoring the real issue. Mental health and terrorism should be addressed as separate issues and treated with two differing methods of correction.

Our liberal leaders wish to use any issue as a platform for gun control, when gun control has nothing to do with the issue. They are ignoring the real motive by blaming the vehicle. Blaming an automobile for DWI is basically what these leaders are doing.

A loonytoon with anger issues that suddenly snaps and goes on a killing spree is not the same as a loonytoon with radical political or religious beliefs that wishes to kill anyone that doesn't follow his beliefs.

We can profile radical Middle Eastern extremists successfully and eliminate some danger to our community. But, it is not easy to profile mental health issues. The gov cannot legislate or determine what is to be defined as mental balance.

Basically, we have a war going on in the world with radical extremism and it has moved to America some years ago. We cannot continue to ignore it and use it as a basis for unrelated gun control politics. Gun control has nothing to do with most of the killings, even if guns are used in the commission of these crimes. Politicians need to get past this need to mandate and manage people's lives, thinking that they know better than we do what is good for us. They need to address the real issue and start cleaning up the cancer of extremism. To do so, you have to remove some of the good tissue with the disease. Being PC when it comes to profiling is not going to make America any safer. Radical Islam considers our PC to be a weakness and has no respect for us. Islam has not just suddenly started a war against non-believers. They have been at war with us for centuries. It's time for us to realize that and act appropriately. In war there is ALWAYS collateral damage. You cannot win a war utilizing no fire zones.

“The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.”
― G.K. Chesterton

I am the op here and this is why I don't post here often. Everyone went completely away from my topic. Again my question was what is wrong with Americans that can ignore the murders in our own country. Are they just dumb, selfish ??? Why can't everyone agree the no 1 job of the president is protect AMERICA. He isn't. He won't. Does anyone care?? It wasn't your kids This time so is that OK?? What about next time? How do u bury your head in the sand?? Are we that divided as a nation we don't even demand protection from our government? Our younger generation, do they even know what's going on? Xmas is coming. People are burying their loved from from yey another Islamic attack. When is enough enough?? 9\11. Forgotten? Next one, maybe our kids??? Anyone care enough to do anything??

Originally Posted by Guest

To avoid a pi$$ing contest let's assume we give you CO. What happens to your logic when the rest of the USA is factored in? And how far back in "history"?

Just academic questions not requiring an asnswer knowing in advance the discussion would go no where productive.

The repetative poster from CO musta missed the highlighted part of the post and followed through, again, ignoring the rest of the post.
The usual technique.

Originally Posted by Guest;115***7

The repetative poster from CO musta missed the highlighted part of the post and followed through, again, ignoring the rest of the post.
The usual technique.

Slo you want more info regrading mass shooting in the US....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation | Mother Jones....

A list of mass shooting in the US which includes sex and race of the shooter as well as weapon and how it was obtained.

Doesn't look good for men you all seem to have anger issues!

Originally Posted by Guest

Slo you want more info regrading mass shooting in the US....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation | Mother Jones....

A list of mass shooting in the US which includes sex and race of the shooter as well as weapon and how it was obtained.

Doesn't look good for men you all seem to have anger issues!

Hmmmnnnn. Bias and prejudice spewing forth!! None of which have a thing to do with the subject!