All I hear from some of you is Solyndra,solyndra....I guess if something fails the first time lets give up on on it. Lets see with that attitude..I'll let you fill in the rest.

Originally Posted by waynet

All I hear from some of you is Solyndra,solyndra....I guess if something fails the first time lets give up on on it. Lets see with that attitude..I'll let you fill in the rest.

People are free to fail with their own ingenuity and financing. They should not be free to fail when I'm being forced to pay for it.

Stop being so free with the people's money. You can never get the government to do anything cheaper for you than you can do it yourself.

I distinctly remember all the same conversations about gas prices in July 2008 when gas hit $4.00 a gallon. Refresh my memory, who was the president then? Oh that's right, George W Bush.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Blah, blah, blah.............No one knows how to extract the oil from the ground with less environmental impact than the U.S., and no one else even tries.

There is evidence that the oil isn't even a finite resource but is renewable, as evidenced by the wells in Mexico and Uzbekistan that are refilling and refuse to run dry.

Peak Oil or Nonsense - Are Wells Refilling or Running Dry?

THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS: OIL WELLS THAT REFUSE TO RUN DRY

This is all against the environmentalist activist liberal national media and so it is never reported on.

Scientists have no idea how much oil there is. The facts are that there is more than anybody ever believed. There seems to be no end to Middle East oil and we were supposed to be seeing the end of it by now. They are in fact pumping more than ever.

Guess you and I will never know will we Richie? So to hell with those who might be around then huh?

Originally Posted by janmcn

I distinctly remember all the same conversations about gas prices in July 2008 when gas hit $4.00 a gallon. Refresh my memory, who was the president then? Oh that's right, George W Bush.

I distinctly remember that when Obama assumed the Presidency gas prices were about $1.88 a gallon.

I'm sure you're giving Pres. Bush kudos for whatever action he took for gas to be at that level in time for Obama to assume office.

I know how impartial you are Jan, and you wouldn't begrudge Bush the credit for the falling gas prices.

But now gas is anywhere from $3.70 a gallon to over $5.00 a gallon in some locales. Now we've had no other President for you to blame in that time but Obama.

That kind of blows for you, doesn't it?

while hammering away about raping the earth and abuse of oil, please note the path to energy independence, via 21st century technology would have us marching away from oil. The pursuit of oil is ONLY a transition to bridge to far better and cleaner forms of energy production.

The only reason oil is still in the equation at all is because the politicians, paid by oil lobbyists and oil producers and speculators want it to be there.

Don't you even wonder why we are not doing the simple low/no cost things like limiting horse power? Or you want a big V8 or high power V6, slap a big ANNUAL premium on them payable when the registration is renewed. Also On vehicles over a certain weight, ditto the annual premium on big motors.

My 2012 middle sized SUV with a 4 cylinder eco technology goes as fast, weighs 2000 pounds less and gets more than double the mileage of my past suburbans.

Check out the size of vehicles and engines in Europe...smaller and less horse power....been doing it for years.

We are not even trying!!!!!!!!!!

btk

Originally Posted by DaleMN

I think god would want us to be good stewards of our resources. They are not finite when it comes to oil. If we rape the land our great, great, great, etc. grandkids will be living in the land of the "Road Warrior".

I do believe that we are to be good stewards of the earth. BUT Read this carefully..."they are NOT FINITE when it comes to oil" Finite means "with an end" Not finite would actually be INFINITE-Without END!

Originally Posted by billethkid

out of the oil problem. He said we should expect that it cannot be solved overnight....ending with there is no silver bullet for this problem. All political rhetoric. Of course we all know it is a long term solution. So how about he tells us the initiatives he has gotten underway that in 'x' years will manifest in reducing our dependence on foreign oil. He like his predecessors has done absolutely nothing to generate an energy plan. Unlike his predecessors, he has in fact either slowed down or stopped attempts or plans that would result in lessening dependence on foreign oil.

I have said it before and I will say it again, Obama considers that if he talks about the problem he has addressed the problem.
A sure sign of lack of leadership. Leaders are accountable for making something they say/address/commit.....HAPPENS..

btk

He said we should expect that it cannot be solved overnight ....

And he is 100% correct. What's your point? In the 2000 Republican Platform, Junior said we need to increase production - tell us what Junior did in 8 years ....

Originally Posted by coralway

He said we should expect that it cannot be solved overnight ....

And he is 100% correct. What's your point? In the 2000 Republican Platform, Junior said we need to increase production - tell us what Junior did in 8 years ....

In his 8 years he put us in a war that bankrupted our country. And although it does not seem to matter to Right Wingers, lost thousands of Young souls.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I distinctly remember that when Obama assumed the Presidency gas prices were about $1.88 a gallon.

I'm sure you're giving Pres. Bush kudos for whatever action he took for gas to be at that level in time for Obama to assume office.

I know how impartial you are Jan, and you wouldn't begrudge Bush the credit for the falling gas prices.

Be careful. What caused the collapse of oil prices was the reduction in demand because of the world-wide recession aggravated when the credit markets collapsed as the credit-swaps went toxic.

In other words, if you REALLY want to give Bush credit for that, you could say he lowered oil prices by nearly plunging the entire planet into a depression (thereby reducing demand for oil).

Originally Posted by djplong

Be careful. What caused the collapse of oil prices was the reduction in demand because of the world-wide recession aggravated when the credit markets collapsed as the credit-swaps went toxic.

In other words, if you REALLY want to give Bush credit for that, you could say he lowered oil prices by nearly plunging the entire planet into a depression (thereby reducing demand for oil).

Why you telling me? I was responding to Jan's alluding to Bush's impact on oil prices and I responded in kind.

Also I think your analysis is very slanted. He plunged the world into recession?; seriously. You hanging out with Jan and Wayne now?

Be careful. What caused the collapse of oil prices was the reduction in demand because of the world-wide recession aggravated when the credit markets collapsed as the credit-swaps went toxic.

In other words, if you REALLY want to give Bush credit for that, you could say he lowered oil prices by nearly plunging the entire planet into a depression (thereby reducing demand for oil).
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Now that is a stretch to say the least!

Using your logic.....

Obama's administration started "Fast and Furious" that raised the awareness of the use and availability of weapons from the US which spread like wildfire outside our borders. This gave hope to many middle east countries that then rose up against their governments in hopes that Obama would send them weapons too. This cause great unrest in the region that has caused the cut back on production and shipping from that region, raised fears world wide of an oil shortage and has cause oil and gas prices to " necessarily skyrocket".
This has plunged the US into a real gas price crunch.

Yeah, I see how that logic works now!

the point, as usual bypassed for convenience, was that so far, there has only been lip service given to energy independence. And they all, including Obama always remind us it cannot be done quickly. But how can ANYBODY accept such rhetoric 40 years later....with NOTHING accomplished....and NOTHING to offer except to remind us it can't be done over night.

The point of the thread was to mock the lack of a beginning of a process/plan/action/program.....instead we get the continuation of business as usual regarding energy in the USA...continued good fortune for the oil producers, the speculators, the lobbyists, the special interest groups and obviously (to some of us) the politicians.

Some things just will not spin ya know!

btk

billy you are correct...all other posts are irrevelant...we do not did not and will not have an energy policy until special interests are eliminated. Some of you have the audacity to place all the blame on Obama and that is just plain stupid.

Originally Posted by waynet

billy you are correct...all other posts are irrevelant...we do not did not and will not have an energy policy until special interests are eliminated. Some of you have the audacity to place all the blame on Obama and that is just plain stupid.

So you admit that some of the blame falls with the President?