Originally Posted by Jim007

I don't see anyone crucifying McCain about his shadowy relationships either, some who have even been convicted of felonies. So I really think you all need to give it a rest. No Obama isn't even a Marxist, or a socialist. But some of you think, if you throw those names around long enough maybe some of that cr...p will stick to the wall. Keep up the good work, the more you talk, the more I'm convinced I've picked the right guy. I'm still waiting for John McCain or Palin to say anything constructive to get us out of this mess Bush II has gotten us into.

Please supply a list of long term relationships that Sen McCain has had with the "bad guys" OR ACTUALLY, give me a name of someone who has a longer list of LONG TERM shadowy relationships than Sen Obama..... !!!!!

Also, read what I posted and name one thing that is not true !!!

Originally Posted by Bucco

Please supply a list of long term relationships that Sen McCain has had with the "bad guys" OR ACTUALLY, give me a name of someone who has a longer list of LONG TERM shadowy relationships than Sen Obama..... !!!!!

Also, read what I posted and name one thing that is not true !!!

i know this is a waste of time being, but here goes

On 2nd thought i have edited this post, removed my comments. dont do no good.

"Now, like, I'm President. It would be pretty hard for some drug guy to come into the White House and start offering it up, you know? ... I bet if they did, I hope I would say, 'Hey, get lost. We don't want any of that.'"
- George Bush, talking about drug abuse to a group of students



imagine that!!

Originally Posted by GMONEY

i know this is a waste of time being, but here goes

Your kidding right??? How about Rashid Khalidi since Palin accused Obama of supporting him to the tune of 80,000 dollars that is..
Explain McCains connection and why he supported and funded him to the tune of almost 1/2 Million? This guy must be shady, Palin thinks so...

Honestly, I dont know too much about this, as the associations that concern me about Sen Obama are long and deep seeded in idealogy.

But if this is important to you, have a go.....I think both sides are way out of line on this. Sen Obama's ties are a bit hazy.....Sen McCain has no personal ties..simply some funding from one organization to another and there is some question on the "bad guy" rap that Khalidi has.

All in all, NOTHING compares with a lifetime of associations of a personal and idealogical nature. I know you dont get it or dont care and that is your right. I have been very clear on this board from the beginning...I am not a supporter of Sen McCain...and you would be hard pressed to see many posts of me SUPPORTING HIM.......I DO KNOW that Sen Obama has a very very shadowy past, very shadowy associatons, very CLEAR training in marxism and socialism and that scares me !

Please read all that I have typed in this thread alone and tell me one thing that is not true !!! I keep challenging and may regret doing that so openly, but I feel very confident that what I have learned about Sen Obama from study and NOT SPIN is true

Bucco..

It's positively frustrating isn't it? My daughter and her husband who are "Dyed in the wool" Dems have looked Obama over, done much research, and agree with you completely. Too scary for them!

My ealrier thought about Americorp/Peace Corp was that we already have what he is proposing. We need something else? And para military to boot? What is the darker agenda?

I just want to say, to all my friends. If you haven't voted yet, get out and vote tomorrow. God bless America and the United States within.

Originally Posted by captain1202

Bucco..

It's positively frustrating isn't it? My daughter and her husband who are "Dyed in the wool" Dems have looked Obama over, done much research, and agree with you completely. Too scary for them!

My ealrier thought about Americorp/Peace Corp was that we already have what he is proposing. We need something else? And para military to boot? What is the darker agenda?

Heard this evening, and did not hear the entire thing, but Lou Dobbs was going on that they now have a tape of him saying he is for reparation...WOW...where has the media been during the primary and this campaign !!!!

Another classic post from Bucco. "where has the media been during the primary and this campaign!!!".

Every thing one can imagine, both fact and fiction, has been dug up and thrown at Obama. Who knows who dug it up or where it came from, but now Bucco states somehow the "media" has failed to uncover yet another alleged damaging statement made somewhere at some time by Obama.

I guess Hannity, Limbaugh, Malkin, Savage etc. must have somehow fallen asleep at the wheel and missed just one more bogus chance to throw more mud on the pile.

The bad news Bucco is that tomorrow McCain/Palin will go down to a crushing defeat. The good news for Bucco is that he said he will be praying that he has been wrong all this time. Well, he won't have to spend a lot of time in prayer so he'll be able to proceed with his pre Obama smearing life, if in fact there is such a thing.

Originally Posted by bimmertl

Another classic post from Bucco. "where has the media been during the primary and this campaign!!!".

Every thing one can imagine, both fact and fiction, has been dug up and thrown at Obama. Who knows who dug it up or where it came from, but now Bucco states somehow the "media" has failed to uncover yet another alleged damaging statement made somewhere at some time by Obama.

I guess Hannity, Limbaugh, Malkin, Savage etc. must have somehow fallen asleep at the wheel and missed just one more bogus chance to throw more mud on the pile.

The bad news Bucco is that tomorrow McCain/Palin will go down to a crushing defeat. The good news for Bucco is that he said he will be praying that he has been wrong all this time. Well, he won't have to spend a lot of time in prayer so he'll be able to proceed with his pre Obama smearing life, if in fact there is such a thing.

I agree with you, as I have said from the get go, I am a Republican and have always voted that way. The thing I cant understand is why has McCain spent the last so many months smearing obama than putting his message out. As much as I have bashed McCain on this board which is more to do with the fact that all you hear is the McCain/Palin Camp throwing Ayers and Khalidi and numerous other negative info out, from which you dont hear Obama throwing Liddy,, the Keating 5 or Khalidi back at them. Last night on the news they were showing Palin at a rally and of course what comes up again, his terrorist associations. I am not going to list everything I have heard or read for sake of not arguing here. That is a debate in itself. They worry more about wanting you to believe that he is this or that.
Obama keeps pounding his plan and letting everyone know what he wants for the country. Now you can say that is smart game plan, or he is a good and smooth talker as I was told lastnight. But that still goes to show that the Republican Nominee thinks that smearing Obama and making people believe that Guilt By Association is his number on priority and the fact that maybe his plan isnt the right one or good enough to win the Office of President of the United States.
If I was a Commanding Officer in a war and was more worried about what the enemy has already done instead of what I CAN DO, then you loose the war.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.


"I don't want to get any messages saying that, "We are holding out position." We're not holding anything! Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding on to anything except the enemy. We're going to hold on to him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the *ss; we're going to go through him like crap through a goose." -- George S. Patton


Not sure if this makes sense or not, if you want to win you got to be a step ahead of you opposition. You cant always and only bring up negatives all the time. your not giving the people the leadership they want to see and hear.
Again this is my thought and only my thought, not starting nothing, simply stating what i want to say. I quoted Patton above simply beacuse, he always gave people the bottom line, if you wanted hear something straight, he would tell you. That is what i believe McCain has not done.

Originally Posted by ejp52

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
Does that worry anyone?

Yes, it certainly does. It's unconstitutional (not that the Constitution has mattered to Obama in his life) and unnecessary. Reminds me of the brown shirts.

This man is dangerous and ignorant at his core.

The constitution doesn't matter, ignorant to the core and dangerous?

I didn't realize this thread was about George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Originally Posted by GMONEY

I agree with you, as I have said from the get go, I am a Republican and have always voted that way. The thing I cant understand is why has McCain spent the last so many months smearing obama than putting his message out. As much as I have bashed McCain on this board which is more to do with the fact that all you hear is the McCain/Palin Camp throwing Ayers and Khalidi and numerous other negative info out, from which you dont hear Obama throwing Liddy,, the Keating 5 or Khalidi back at them. Last night on the news they were showing Palin at a rally and of course what comes up again, his terrorist associations. I am not going to list everything I have heard or read for sake of not arguing here. That is a debate in itself. They worry more about wanting you to believe that he is this or that.
Obama keeps pounding his plan and letting everyone know what he wants for the country. Now you can say that is smart game plan, or he is a good and smooth talker as I was told lastnight. But that still goes to show that the Republican Nominee thinks that smearing Obama and making people believe that Guilt By Association is his number on priority and the fact that maybe his plan isnt the right one or good enough to win the Office of President of the United States.
If I was a Commanding Officer in a war and was more worried about what the enemy has already done instead of what I CAN DO, then you loose the war.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.Isn't this why we study history? Tactitians must incorporate the past in their decision making. We, the voters, are the tactitians and must be aware of the past history of those we are voting for... not just the many (usually empty) promises they make about the future.


"I don't want to get any messages saying that, "We are holding out position." We're not holding anything! Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding on to anything except the enemy. We're going to hold on to him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the *ss; we're going to go through him like crap through a goose." -- George S. Patton .


Not sure if this makes sense or not, if you want to win you got to be a step ahead of you opposition. You cant always and only bring up negatives all the time. your not giving the people the leadership they want to see and hear.
Again this is my thought and only my thought, not starting nothing, simply stating what i want to say. I quoted Patton above simply beacuse, he always gave people the bottom line, if you wanted hear something straight, he would tell you. That is what i believe McCain has not done.

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Originally Posted by bimmertl

The constitution doesn't matter, ignorant to the core and dangerous?

I didn't realize this thread was about George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Get over it. Bush and Cheney are leaving office. Try to get that straight and go vote for McCain or the Socialist/Marxist if that is your uninformed choice.

American electorate ignorance is not a commodity America can afford especially in regarding what we are facing enormous global challenges, particularly in the middle east :

The Iranian nuclear threat. Russia's growing military alliance with Iran. Osama bin Laden and the continuing al Qaeda threat. The Hamas and Hezbollah threats. The volatility in nuclear-armed Pakistan. The possibility of revolutions or coup attempts in Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Libya's new pursuit of Russian arms and nuclear technology. The list goes on and on.

If you are more comfortable with Obama facing those for this nation, there is no help for you or discussion. Your mind is closed and you will not see it.

I'm truly sorry for you. Buyers remorse will be heavy and come quickly.

Retired Guy

Between the two of us, only one of us will have to "get over it" tomorrow morning and it won't be me.

I hear Costa Rica is a nice place to relocate to.

SALLY JOE & ALL.......NOT ONLY SCARY, but sounds like the Nazi Youth Group......!

Again, this group is composed of doctors, teachers, policemen - quite the scary group - Bucco - how do you have all this inside information that you KNOW all this stuff you throw out is the truth. No one with George Bush's government has been able to leak it, but you have the inside track on it?? Just wondering where other than the blogs you come up with this stuff.