This just shows you how ugly US politics can get. These remarks look like they were years ago. How many of us have people connected to us in some way who have said or did some really stupid stuff??
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3940680.shtml

What are they going to dig up next? Some lesson plan that some law school professor had during Barack Obama's days at Harvard Law??

I agree, Tal. I would hate to be responsible for comments that my friends or relatives make.

Originally Posted by English

Tal: You are mistaken. Jeremiah Wright has over a 20-year close mentor relationship with Barack Obama. The hate comments he made are just a few of his long record of this kind of hate the whites speech. Do the research and you will find it. It's public record. I'm not going say more than that. But don't just chalk this up to dirty politics. Do the research and prove them wrong. I don't think you can.

From the Wikipedia article on Jeremiah Wright. "Prior to the YouTube release of Wright's Christmas sermon, Obama claimed that Wright 'is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with.' "

I do not buy this attack on Obama through something someone he is associated with said. Many politicians if not all of them have relatives, friends, supporters, and others who have very embarrassing stuff in their closets. This looks like a desperate move on the part of Obama's critics.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

From the Wikipedia article on Jeremiah Wright. "Prior to the YouTube release of Wright's Christmas sermon, Obama claimed that Wright 'is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with.' "

I do not buy this attack on Obama through something someone he is associated with said. Many politicians if not all of them have relatives, friends, supporters, and others who have very embarrassing stuff in their closets. This looks like a desperate move on the part of Obama's critics.

Sorry, but if you have a crazy uncle (a role with which I can identify), you don't use him as your spiritual leader for 20+ years. You do not go to him every week, you do not take your children to him to listen to his ravings. You're stuck with your uncle. You can change your pastor whenever you like, for instance when the man starts using the pulpit to rage against your country and to instill racism. And these excerpts from the Reverend were not dug up. They're published by the man himself in a "Best Of" album.

The timing is of this stuff is interesting, but only in that it's at least 6 months late. Had the press been doing its job early in the campaign and investigated the man thoroughly, this would have come up long before the first vote, before the Obama money machine gained momentum. People have known about Wright for years, but the media never felt it worthwhile to pursue. Now with his "God Damn America" ravings, they have no choice. Now we see a tie to Michelle Obama's having never been proud of her country until her husband was running for president. The media must address the issue, if only to denigrate the influence of Wright in Obama's life and to somehow offset 20 years of sitting in a pew listening to this venom with George Bush giving a speech at Bob Jone U or McCain being endorsed by an ignorant, prejudiced bible pounder.

But in the short run, it doesn't matter. People will ignore facts and do whatever the heck they want to do anyway.

Muncle is unfortunately correct....people will either forget or ignore the facts. There is no way to expect reality to play a role in anything in our sad permissive, pacifist society.

My issue with Obama's pastor is that he actually assigned him as the spiritual coordinator...full well KNOWING his bent for hate of whites. A real life example of quid quo pro (no matter what) and extremely poor judgment.

Begs the question whether he is capable of rising above the fray for the better good should he be so lucky to get the nomination and actually win the Presidency (which I seriously doubt).

BTK

Originally Posted by billethkid

Begs the question whether he is capable of rising above the fray for the better good should he be so lucky to get the nomination and actually win the Presidency (which I seriously doubt).

BTK

To paraphrase HL Mencken, Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Let's face it, as a nation, we're not too bright. And we're apathetic as hell. He's nicely packaged; he likely win.

Originally Posted by Muncle

To paraphrase HL Mencken, Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. Let's face it, as a nation, we're not too bright. And we're apathetic as hell.

Uncle Muncle -

Originally Posted by Muncle

He's nicely packaged; he likely win.

I'm scared to death and hope your wrong here!! :'(

Your niece, KathieI

Well, much as it pains me, I have to agree with Muncle on this one. I will agree with Sam that I wouldn't like to be accountable for the stupid or inflammatory things someone I am associated with might say, however, in the big picture I find it hard to swallow that Obama just happened to miss those two or so occasions at church when these things were said. I wrote in a previous forum that I thought Obama wasn't ready yet or too naive and this just validates it for me. Barak Obama had a extremely long term relationship with this man, over 20 years and we know he didn't keep his mouth shut for that long. I believe the timing smells of "dirty politics", but that doesn't change the facts. With all of that being said, I am a loyal Dem and I always was going to and still will vote for Hillary. Just my opinion.

Chelsea, there's hope for you yet. Not much, but a little hope. Now if I could get you to drop the "Bush lied. Bush lied" mantra of the lunatic fringe, we could maybe save you. But, as to your noting that the timing smelled of dirty politics, I beg to differ. It's really too late for Hillary. If it were a Clinton machine tactic, it should have been released before Super Tuesday when Obama went nova. As for it being a McCain plant, it's way too early. Remember, we're talking an electorate here that has an attention span of a 5 year old in a ToysRUs. There's no way the great unwashed will remember any of this come November. If the GOP were to do it, they'd try to release it about 25 Sept earliest. I think this is just the media trying to cover the fact that they've been incompetent for over 2 years.

:bow: Uncle Muncle . . .hmmmm . . . well . . . . .. I AGREE!!!

Now if we could just work out a health plan.

However, and I say this lovingly, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied>>>> :-* lol

How many TOTV users know politics within the African-American community though? This pastor just seems to be paying attention to the various concerns of his flock. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity...urch_of_Christ Barack Obama is one member of that flock but he is no sheep. You would have to be very opinionated and very strong with those opinions to make it through Harvard Law School and then have the fortitude to reject all the various very lucrative offers Mr. Obama must have received from some of the top law firms around the United States.

Think Barack Obama's actions speak louder than the words of some pastor in Chicago who happens to be a friend/mentor of Senator Obama.

I can understand some of the problems Barack Obama's wife has with the United States as well. It is still a different world for many whites as compared with the reality faced by many African Americans.

We have come a very long way but there is still a very long way to go with making Martin Luther King Jr's ideals in his "I Have a Dream" speech realities.

I did vote for Mr. Barack Obama so I am a little biased in my outlook and I have a sister-in-law who is of a shade quite a bit darker than Mr. Barack Obama.

Taltarzac,
Good post.!

Sorry Tal, I can't buy it. It's just rationalization for the racism and victimhood propagated by the Reverend. He refers to the United States of White America and the USAKKK. He claims AIDS is/was a government plot against blacks. And of course, the pièce de résistance of his video, simulating Bill Clinton humping Monica as the crowd cheers. Oh, and by the by, these videos of the good Reverend did not come from some hidden camera. They were collected by the church and are on sale there, I guess as a Best Of album. If this is indicative of the politics within the African American community, as you imply, is it a cause or an effect. I thought religious "leaders" were supposed to, well, lead their congregation on a moral path. I didn't think they were there to pander to their ignorances, weaknesses, and prejudices.

As to Michele Obama, I simply cannot understand how a woman who has had the advantages of education at both Princeton and Harvard cannot find anything about American for which she can be proud. Must be all those years getting a government check since she left private practice.

Wouldn't be nice if we could just wait and hear what Mr. Obama has to say about this issue tomorrow.

This whole post smacks of racisim. Why not wait another day, before we denounce the entire race because of one black racist.

Originally Posted by fullrob

Wouldn't be nice if we could just wait and hear what Mr. Obama has to say about this issue tomorrow.

This whole post smacks of racisim. Why not wait another day, before we denounce the entire race because of one black racist.

Good point fullrob. Would like to get some re-action from Barack Obama about this stuff even though he might be better off just leaving this alone.

My point is that Senator Barack Obama is a man of very strong convictions and that his church probably is not going to sway him all that much in any direction. John F. Kennedy seemed to say the same about the Catholic Church and that Church has a lot of tenets that many Americans would not want stuck into their private lives. Same with Senator John McCain. His church would not seem to have that much influence on him.

"I believe the American people are more concerned with a man's views and abilities than with the church to which he belongs. I believe the founding fathers meant it when they provided in Article VI of the Constitution that there should be no religious test for public office. And I believe that the American people mean to adhere to those principles today." John Fitzgerald Kennedy