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  #31  
Old 05-02-2011, 08:24 PM
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Obama's inspirational mentor Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals" is not enough?
Re-read Rules For Radicals and then go back and see how many of those rules were used by both parties and both Presidential candidates in the 2012 election. Actually, in the context of the election campaign, I'd even say that John McCain used Alinsky's principles more than did Barack Obama.

Before you say, no, no, no...re-read the rules and then think back to the campaign. Both parties and lots of candidates used the rules because they work!
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Old 05-02-2011, 08:28 PM
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I wouldn't characterize the linked article as "analytical". Political, yes. Polemic, yes. Well reasoned, no. It contained false dichotomies, false and/or unsubstantiated statements and allegations, and vague and meaningless generalities among other "crimes against logic".

I'm not an Obama fan. But it is simply inaccurate to say that that he "campaigned relentlessly against domestic energy production". Sorry. The article then uses this inaccuracy and calls it an "internal contradiction" in the face of rising gas prices. And then argues that internal contradictions are evidence of Marxism.

Hmm. Let's use some analogies to analyze both "internal contradictions" and the Marxist leap. Personally, I'm in favor of domestic drilling. However, those who oppose it do so for reasons other than the rise and fall of gas prices. To make their case against drilling for completely other reasons, and then support drilling when the price of gas fluctuates, would be an "internal contradiction". To be "pro life" and pro death penalty could be deemed an "internal contradiction"-- even though it's certainly understandable and respectable to hold both views. To be adamantly tough on crime but want compassion for a wayward loved one is an "internal contradiction," but doesn't make someone a Marxist. To want to slash federal jobs but "not in my district" is an "internal contradiction" but certainly doesn't make Speaker Boehner a Marxist.

So against "domestic energy production" (not true) = internal contradiction = evidence of Marxism.

Sounds good-- 'til you think about it.

Redefining our foreign policy and defense policies (regardless) of past alliances? Although our stated foreign policy has always been about promoting freedom around the world, in other ways, Obama as well as other U.S. presidents have done so without a doubt. For example, we supported, then opposed, Noriega. We on-again and then gratefully off-again at times aided former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. We opposed, normalized relations with and opposed again Gaddafi. Obama can be faulted with having a foreign policy at odds with his campaign, though the article doesn't address this.

"Coupled with embrace of fringe utopian ideas of an 'internationalist order'"? Gee, that sort of calls for some backup content. What fringe utopian ideas specifically. What "internationalist order" ? The former President stated that he hoped democracy movements would break out in the Middle East. Is that a, "utopian internationalist order"? Without supplying supporting evidence, this is not analysis but merely political rhetoric.

The "talk, talk; fight, fight" line sounds like (a) both party's political playbook; (b) the high school cheer leading squad; (c) all of the above. Polemicists used to argue equally without substantiation that the former administration raised terror alert levels to increase the anxiety level so the electorate wouldn't change horses. (And BTW, talk radio could be described as "talk, talk," but what of it?)

I do agree the article was fascinating, especially it's placement in The American Thinker. Like so many political articles on both sides of the fence, it seems to be targeted primarily to people who don't think critically for themselves.

If, as Richie stated,
"...the brilliant analysis of the article speaks for itself in illustrating the correlation of Obama's actions with tried and true marxist principles that anyone with a brain can follow"
Then I must throw my lot with Scarecrow, go to the Wizard and plead, "If I only had a brain"!
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Old 05-02-2011, 11:06 PM
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I guess you believe what you want to believe. The truth will out itself in the end. I'm not up to the daunting task of debating all the misconceptions and will leave my prior statements as my final opinion on this subject.
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:22 AM
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I guess you believe what you want to believe. The truth will out itself in the end. I'm not up to the daunting task of debating all the misconceptions and will leave my prior statements as my final opinion on this subject.
If your mind's made up and if we all agree to disagree, why are we continuing the conversation?
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:32 AM
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If your mind's made up and if we all agree to disagree, why are we continuing the conversation?
Richie hasn't got anything. Can you imagine - NOTHING! No substance. No links. NOTHING! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE[/ame]

Xavier
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:49 AM
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have got to give PTurner an "atta-girl".....I could not have said it better...
Unfortunately, as is true of this forum, NOTHING will change....Unless the wizard gives RLion an "OPEN-minded" Brain....
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:07 AM
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PTurner is one of the few people that I have met in my life who is very bright, very fair and very reticent to stir the waters. When she speaks I listen...in awe.

She hasn't ever shown that she has an ax to grind and above all she uses the English language to communicate well and she communicates sensibly. I find her one of the most kind and one of the smartest and one of the fairest persons I have ever met....But most of all, she has common sense.
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:49 AM
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Richie hasn't got anything. Can you imagine - NOTHING! No substance. No links. NOTHING! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

Xavier
You're pathetic. I at least give my opinion. You just throw bombs. Grow up.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=217661
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:09 AM
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You're pathetic. I at least give my opinion. You just throw bombs. Grow up.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=217661
No, you give other people's opinion. (that was the bomb)

Xavier
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:41 PM
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How about a taste of reality. Obama and Hillary are both Progressives folks. They are hell bent on changing this country to follow socialism. That isn't a guess on my part or a theory. It is what they say. Some people don't think there is anything wrong with this. Others, like myself, pray to God that it doesn't happen and will do everything in my power to see that it doesn't happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032401152.html
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:02 PM
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I love these people who rail against socialism while they happily collect social security and participate in Medicare.
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:42 PM
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How about a taste of reality. Obama and Hillary are both Progressives folks. They are hell bent on changing this country to follow socialism. That isn't a guess on my part or a theory. It is what they say. Some people don't think there is anything wrong with this. Others, like myself, pray to God that it doesn't happen and will do everything in my power to see that it doesn't happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032401152.html
The last sentence of the last paragraph says it all with Gregory Galluzzo's thoughts about Obama and Hillary Clinton:

"By either one of them being in office," he said, "we're going to have a government that's more responsive to the ordinary people."

Thanks for the link. I loved it.

Xavier
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Old 05-03-2011, 05:54 PM
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I love these people who rail against socialism while they happily collect social security and participate in Medicare.

I think I paid into both programs and continue to do so. I had no vote on whether I wanted it or not.
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:16 PM
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PTurner is one of the few people that I have met in my life who is very bright, very fair and very reticent to stir the waters. When she speaks I listen...in awe.

She hasn't ever shown that she has an ax to grind and above all she uses the English language to communicate well and she communicates sensibly. I find her one of the most kind and one of the smartest and one of the fairest persons I have ever met....But most of all, she has common sense.
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:43 PM
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Thumbs down So, let's see if we get this straight.

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I love these people who rail against socialism while they happily collect social security and participate in Medicare.

You equate a supposed insurance, that most employed people paid into their entire working career as socialism?

But, what you are really saying is, that you are a Socialist. Which is a polite term for Marxist, which is a polite term for Communist.

So now we understand, and it is no real necessity to converse with you in the future, as you just continue the old dogma, and just throw junk on white screen.
 

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