no matter who the they were..... justify the current wrong doing....in this case the cap & tax bill with substantial ramifications included.

Does the opposition ever NOT restate any issue in terms of Bush? the last 8 years? It must be being so limited!!!

btk

Originally Posted by cologal

Look ....no one read the bills when the Repubs were in power...so just give up on that Fox Noise point. No I don't think the entire CAP and Trade is just because of those two things....

It does not matter whether its's Reps or Dems not reading the bills they vote on. In my book, the fact that elected representatives EVER don't read bills is abominable and as unAmerican as it gets. The business of the nation is not to create "party power." When our elected representatives have total unconcern for fulfilling their office responsibilities with honor, not giving a tinker's dam about what's good for the country, then what happens is our government has deteriorated to "what's good for the congressperson first, party second, and whatever's left the country gets."

That's why the worst situation there is, is when one party controls the Executive and the Legislature. When that happens, the country always comes in third place. At least when one party has the Executive and the other the Legislature, it takes a "super-majority" to get a bill passed and into law. That gives America a chance to be the first beneficiary of any law, instead of getting what's left after the party has it's chew.

What a bunch of horse manure. They, Obama and Biden...told us over and over that the economy is the worst since the Great Depression. So how did they "read it wrong'?

These clowns are trying to re-write history. They told everybody, that was listening, that the unemployment rate would never go over 8% and now it is approaching 10%
Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be created this summer. We lost almost a half million jobs last month.
And the media? They are in bed with these clowns. Imagine what the headlines would be if McCain was the President now. Would they be cheerleading him and only printing hopeful news? NO They would be on the rooftops yelling like crazy how the USA is going down the tubes.
And the gaffes this idiot makes every day that doesn't get reported. He is totally useless without his teleprompter, and he is a liar with it.

Whewwwwwww Rant over Time for a cold one, (water).

Originally Posted by cologal

give me a break...healthcare in the us is in sad shape. Something needs to be done. The cap and trade only reverses the damage that was done by the bush administration.

And how many of you who complain are receiving social security and are covered by medicare? Both are socialistic programs....

omg!

Originally Posted by Ooper

omg!

Quote:
Originally Posted by cologal
give me a break...healthcare in the us is in sad shape. Something needs to be done. The cap and trade only reverses the damage that was done by the bush administration.


OMG seems appropriate. However for someone to say that health care in the US is in sad shape and the Cap and Trade only reverses the damage done by the Bush administration clearly either has no idea of what these two programs will do to harm the United States or is a limousine liberal with a trust fund and has no need to worry about the economy.

Just an opinion.

Yoda

a member of the loyal opposition

Originally Posted by billethkid

no matter who the they were..... justify the current wrong doing....in this case the cap & tax bill with substantial ramifications included.

Does the opposition ever NOT restate any issue in terms of Bush? the last 8 years? It must be being so limited!!!

btk

You are absolutely right...we withstood the Bush Administration for 8 years....most of the time all we heard about was Clinton...now it is Barney Frank.

The American system of government works like this....2 people, or more, run for President...we all vote. Once the guy who won the popular vote lost. We had to live with Bush...now you have to live with Obama. He won the election by a wide margin..It is what it is.

It's not cap-n-trade, it's anything that BO proposes. Some give him a blank check and a big free pass and they don't care what the outcome is or who suffers because of it.

Originally Posted by Bucco

This is YOUR QUOTE...

"The Cap and Trade only reverses the damage that was done by the Bush administration."

I assume now that you admit it is a bit more than reversing the two items you mentioned....MUCH MUCH MORE !

You did not answer if you are aware of what is in this new bill...I would really like to hear your defense of it.....heck, even many or at least some Dems could not even vote for it.

Last point....guess you were there and I wasn't on who read what in the last 8 years...I just know that the largest spending bills OF ALL TIME are being passed with no reading.

Why is it BIG issue with the reading of the bills....how high on the talking points?

What can I do about the bill? My rep voted against it. But of course I didn't vote for him. How many Repub bills were passed in much the same manner when they were in charge....just how many did you speak out about?

So if you want a change in my original statement then just add the word some. Like this:

"The Cap and Trade only reverses some the damage that was done by the Bush administration."

Unbelievable

Originally Posted by cologal

Why is it BIG issue with the reading of the bills....how high on the talking points?

What can I do about the bill? My rep voted against it. But of course I didn't vote for him. How many Repub bills were passed in much the same manner when they were in charge....just how many did you speak out about?

So if you want a change in my original statement then just add the word some. Like this:

"The Cap and Trade only reverses some the damage that was done by the Bush administration."

I realize that you are not big on facts. However, let me provide you with a few of them.

(1) The United States is not the largest man made emitter of CO2 in the world - that honor belongs to China.
(2) The US total emissions will be surpassed by first India and then Sub Saharan Africa over the next two decades.
(3) China, India and all African nations will not be a part of cap and trade except to trade their unused carbon sinks for cash from the Western World.
(4) The United States is a net carbon sink because of our extensive forests.
(5) Obama does intend to keep his promise of having utility rates 'skyrocket.' How much is as yet unknown - estimates vary from a few hundred to $3,600 per household per year (on the average). Perhaps you can afford that, but I know a number of families in this area who cannot.
(6) Global temperatures have been falling since 1998 - a period of ten years now. 2009 promises to keep the trend going.
(7) Of the approximately 180,000,000 tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere each year, only 6.000.000 tons is accounted for by human activity. The rest comes from the oceans, decaying plant life, etc.

Please tell me the facts that show that global climate change is caused by anthropogenic CO2 and how that, in particular, ties into the Bush administration. Facts please, not meaning assertions stating, "...the overwhelming scientific consensus is ........" Facts with real numbers put up by real scientists.

Originally Posted by cologal

Why is it BIG issue with the reading of the bills....how high on the talking points?

What can I do about the bill? My rep voted against it. But of course I didn't vote for him. How many Repub bills were passed in much the same manner when they were in charge....just how many did you speak out about?

So if you want a change in my original statement then just add the word some. Like this:

"The Cap and Trade only reverses some the damage that was done by the Bush administration."

It is very difficult to respond to something like this.

It is unbelievable that someone can be so uninformed of FACTS, not spin or talking points, and be so in love with a political party and have a basis of opinion based totally on "Bush did it" !!

WOW...is the best

Cologal,

I would have been glad to opt out of the government taxing me all of my life for social security and would be much weathier today if I had that option. BUT, I didn't have that option and I will never recieve all that I put in had I been able to invest it myself. I wish our government representatives had to be a part of this scam.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Unbelievable

Believe it!!!

Originally Posted by BBQMan

I realize that you are not big on facts. However, let me provide you with a few of them.

(1) The United States is not the largest man made emitter of CO2 in the world - that honor belongs to China.
(2) The US total emissions will be surpassed by first India and then Sub Saharan Africa over the next two decades.
(3) China, India and all African nations will not be a part of cap and trade except to trade their unused carbon sinks for cash from the Western World.
(4) The United States is a net carbon sink because of our extensive forests.
(5) Obama does intend to keep his promise of having utility rates 'skyrocket.' How much is as yet unknown - estimates vary from a few hundred to $3,600 per household per year (on the average). Perhaps you can afford that, but I know a number of families in this area who cannot.
(6) Global temperatures have been falling since 1998 - a period of ten years now. 2009 promises to keep the trend going.
(7) Of the approximately 180,000,000 tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere each year, only 6.000.000 tons is accounted for by human activity. The rest comes from the oceans, decaying plant life, etc.

Please tell me the facts that show that global climate change is caused by anthropogenic CO2 and how that, in particular, ties into the Bush administration. Facts please, not meaning assertions stating, "...the overwhelming scientific consensus is ........" Facts with real numbers put up by real scientists.

So you don't believe in globel warming....do you value your lungs? Soot

Originally Posted by Bucco

It is very difficult to respond to something like this.

It is unbelievable that someone can be so uninformed of FACTS, not spin or talking points, and be so in love with a political party and have a basis of opinion based totally on "Bush did it" !!

WOW...is the best

Bucco I keep telling you I vote for Repubs, from time to time. I sometime disagree with the Dems as I did by supporting Hillary for president.

You don't believe any sources I use so don't say I don't have facts. I don't believe yours either.

How many times has it been posted here that Barney Frank did it. Or better yet Clinton did it.

Don't be so righteous....