Originally Posted by njbchbum

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK FOR YOU!
YOU DID NOT HIRE THEM!
YOU DO NOT SIGN THEIR PAYCHECKS!
DISPUTE THAT!

they work for a government entity and their paychecks are signed by that entity's fiscal officer/treasurer. they do not remit payments to you for their taxes, pensions, 401ks, and health covg. they do not request approval of their vacation time from you. DISPUTE THAT!

they go to work every day to provide a service: first responders, doctors, nurses, patient care givers, prison guards, garbage men, landscapers, motor vehicle inspectors, weights & measures inspectors, teachers, investigators, complaint bureau staff, professional credential reviewers/licensers, army, navy, marines, air force, coast guard, yada, yada, yada. those services are for YOU! use them or not! and if you don't want them - tell your elected officials to take them off the book...and then see what they tell you!

you do little more than fund local, county, state and federal governments. you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else. if you want to question the amount of $ paid to public employees or anything else...call your elected officials! they work for you because you elected them!

you can call all you want for the end of salary and benefit increases for public workers - and maybe someday you will be heard - but you will have to find a politician who will listen first! what i cannot understand is why you do not call for the elimination of waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs and services that your governments continue to support. that is where true government overspending is found.

Horse flaps... The stimulus added 100,000 useless government jobs and absolutely zero private sector jobs. The government is like a giant sponge soaking up all our resources. We are following the path of Greece and other top heavy governments. Public sector jobs and pensions will destroy the United States. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK FOR YOU!
YOU DID NOT HIRE THEM!
YOU DO NOT SIGN THEIR PAYCHECKS!
DISPUTE THAT!

they work for a government entity and their paychecks are signed by that entity's fiscal officer/treasurer. they do not remit payments to you for their taxes, pensions, 401ks, and health covg. they do not request approval of their vacation time from you. DISPUTE THAT!

they go to work every day to provide a service: first responders, doctors, nurses, patient care givers, prison guards, garbage men, landscapers, motor vehicle inspectors, weights & measures inspectors, teachers, investigators, complaint bureau staff, professional credential reviewers/licensers, army, navy, marines, air force, coast guard, yada, yada, yada. those services are for YOU! use them or not! and if you don't want them - tell your elected officials to take them off the book...and then see what they tell you!

you do little more than fund local, county, state and federal governments. you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else. if you want to question the amount of $ paid to public employees or anything else...call your elected officials! they work for you because you elected them!

you can call all you want for the end of salary and benefit increases for public workers - and maybe someday you will be heard - but you will have to find a politician who will listen first! what i cannot understand is why you do not call for the elimination of waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs and services that your governments continue to support. that is where true government overspending is found.

Ridiculous post. You show a complete ignorance of our system of government if you don't realize that the government works for the people. We have every right to get involved in that government and to demand accountability.

You don't think "public servants" work for the public? Dispute that?

What utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK FOR YOU!
YOU DID NOT HIRE THEM!
YOU DO NOT SIGN THEIR PAYCHECKS!
DISPUTE THAT!

they work for a government entity and their paychecks are signed by that entity's fiscal officer/treasurer. they do not remit payments to you for their taxes, pensions, 401ks, and health covg. they do not request approval of their vacation time from you. DISPUTE THAT!

they go to work every day to provide a service: first responders, doctors, nurses, patient care givers, prison guards, garbage men, landscapers, motor vehicle inspectors, weights & measures inspectors, teachers, investigators, complaint bureau staff, professional credential reviewers/licensers, army, navy, marines, air force, coast guard, yada, yada, yada. those services are for YOU! use them or not! and if you don't want them - tell your elected officials to take them off the book...and then see what they tell you!

you do little more than fund local, county, state and federal governments. you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else. if you want to question the amount of $ paid to public employees or anything else...call your elected officials! they work for you because you elected them!

you can call all you want for the end of salary and benefit increases for public workers - and maybe someday you will be heard - but you will have to find a politician who will listen first! what i cannot understand is why you do not call for the elimination of waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs and services that your governments continue to support. that is where true government overspending is found.

Looks like you truly do believe that the tail wags the dog!

Originally Posted by Loveithere

Horse flaps... The stimulus added 100,000 useless government jobs and absolutely zero private sector jobs. The government is like a giant sponge soaking up all our resources. We are following the path of Greece and other top heavy governments. Public sector jobs and pensions will destroy the United States. PERIOD.

You're showing more ignorance here. (You seem to ignore the fact that we're being taxed at the lowest rate since the 1950s - I'd hardly call that "soaking up all our resources")

But rather than go down THAT rat-hole, I'll ask a question of you. Here in New Hampshire, stimulus funds were used on an existing roadway project to connect the state's largest airport to the major highway going through our 3 largest cities. The funds allowed us to speed up the construction so that the new highway is opening TODAY (11/11/11) instead of 2 years from now. On top of that, finishing it sooner also made it come in under budget.

Now.. The construction workers who were hired to speed up the job. They were employed by the private construction companies who won the contracts from the state. Are THOSE employees your idea of 'public' employees?

Originally Posted by djplong

You're showing more ignorance here. (You seem to ignore the fact that we're being taxed at the lowest rate since the 1950s - I'd hardly call that "soaking up all our resources")

But rather than go down THAT rat-hole, I'll ask a question of you. Here in New Hampshire, stimulus funds were used on an existing roadway project to connect the state's largest airport to the major highway going through our 3 largest cities. The funds allowed us to speed up the construction so that the new highway is opening TODAY (11/11/11) instead of 2 years from now. On top of that, finishing it sooner also made it come in under budget.

Now.. The construction workers who were hired to speed up the job. They were employed by the private construction companies who won the contracts from the state. Are THOSE employees your idea of 'public' employees?

Check the stats and stop calling posters ignorant. You lose what little credibility that you have "soaked up." (Sorry, could not control myself)
The facts are that the Stimulus bill went to public employees and did not create one private sector job.

Note: Highway construction is supposed to be paid with the exorbitant gas tax we pay every day at the pump.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Ridiculous post. You show a complete ignorance of our system of government if you don't realize that the government works for the people. We have every right to get involved in that government and to demand accountability.

You don't think "public servants" work for the public? Dispute that?

What utter nonsense.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Looks like you truly do believe that the tail wags the dog!

to each of you: all levels of government employ workers to provide services for you - government employees do not work FOR you! if anyone demonstrates ignorance of the employment process, each of you appears to.

and to richie - in my post i did indicate that it is your right AND your responsibility to get involved where i posted, "you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else."

'public servants' SERVE the public - the word servant is the noun/subject derivative of the verb to serve - service is not employment unless an individual is indentured - got it?

Originally Posted by njbchbum

to each of you: all levels of government employ workers to provide services for you - government employees do not work FOR you! if anyone demonstrates ignorance of the employment process, each of you appears to.

and to richie - in my post i did indicate that it is your right AND your responsibility to get involved where i posted, "you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else."

'public servants' SERVE the public - the word servant is the noun/subject derivative of the verb to serve - service is not employment unless an individual is indentured - got it?

I got it. I got it fine. You're another entitled worker, I suspect. Oh yeah, I got it.

Originally Posted by Loveithere

Check the stats and stop calling posters ignorant. You lose what little credibility that you have "soaked up." (Sorry, could not control myself)
The facts are that the Stimulus bill went to public employees and did not create one private sector job.

Note: Highway construction is supposed to be paid with the exorbitant gas tax we pay every day at the pump.

and now who posts evidence of their lack of specific knowledge re the recovery act? lol

i believe the private sector solyndra company was a beneficiary of stimulus funding - was it not? http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63393.html

so i further checked out recovery act financial distributions searching thru google...i suggest you try it...it's enlightening...especially when you can find so many private sector businesses that received stimulus money...which will blow your claim that 'rather than create one private sector job it went to public employees' right out of the water. check it out, please.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I got it. I got it fine. You're another entitled worker, I suspect. Oh yeah, I got it.

yes, richielion - entitled to go to work every day and serve the people of the state of n.j. to insure that their needs are met. and in exchange for that i will receive the salary and benefits delineated by my contract. that's as far as entitlement goes.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

to each of you: all levels of government employ workers to provide services for you - government employees do not work FOR you! if anyone demonstrates ignorance of the employment process, each of you appears to.

and to richie - in my post i did indicate that it is your right AND your responsibility to get involved where i posted, "you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else."

'public servants' SERVE the public - the word servant is the noun/subject derivative of the verb to serve - service is not employment unless an individual is indentured - got it?

~Aside from Police and Firemen, please provide the list of public servants and what services they provide to ME
~Also provide what services could not be provided by the private sector more efficiently...ie UPS is a much more efficient and reliable source than USPS. (Post Office failed to overnight a book to my son in college. We paid for that service but didn't get it. When we sought refund we were told (direct quote)"It's just a book"...wtf. So we gave them a second chance. Bought him another book from half.com for $75.00. It got lost in Post Office's system somewhere on the other side of the country according to their tracking system. I called often for several months. The book never was found and no one seemed to care to call me back (as p romised). Unfortunately we didn't insure the process and were out the 75$. Since then, 4+years, we send everything UPS! Average 2 packages/month and haven't had a problem yet.
Forgot to mention that this same 24 year old son has had a subscription to Sporting News since he was 5. The publication comes to our mailbox on Thursdays like clockwork. Every year the March Madness issue fails to arrive and is never received...Hmmmm

Originally Posted by njbchbum

yes, richielion - entitled to go to work every day and serve the people of the state of n.j. to insure that their needs are met. and in exchange for that i will receive the salary and benefits delineated by my contract. that's as far as entitlement goes.

Yes, and free to work with separation from the marketplace. Working for a entity that doesn't have to earn a profit to stay in business. So all you people just watch as everything falls around you and say "what does that have to do with me". Public sector union guys just refuse to get it.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Yes, and free to work with separation from the marketplace. Working for a entity that doesn't have to earn a profit to stay in business. So all you people just watch as everything falls around you and say "what does that have to do with me". Public sector union guys just refuse to get it.

Be gentle...sometimes the truth is so personal and painful to accept that the only way to survive it is to remain in the denial bubble.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK FOR YOU!
YOU DID NOT HIRE THEM!
YOU DO NOT SIGN THEIR PAYCHECKS!
DISPUTE THAT!

they work for a government entity and their paychecks are signed by that entity's fiscal officer/treasurer. they do not remit payments to you for their taxes, pensions, 401ks, and health covg. they do not request approval of their vacation time from you. DISPUTE THAT!

they go to work every day to provide a service: first responders, doctors, nurses, patient care givers, prison guards, garbage men, landscapers, motor vehicle inspectors, weights & measures inspectors, teachers, investigators, complaint bureau staff, professional credential reviewers/licensers, army, navy, marines, air force, coast guard, yada, yada, yada. those services are for YOU! use them or not! and if you don't want them - tell your elected officials to take them off the book...and then see what they tell you!

you do little more than fund local, county, state and federal governments. you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else. if you want to question the amount of $ paid to public employees or anything else...call your elected officials! they work for you because you elected them!

you can call all you want for the end of salary and benefit increases for public workers - and maybe someday you will be heard - but you will have to find a politician who will listen first! what i cannot understand is why you do not call for the elimination of waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs and services that your governments continue to support. that is where true government overspending is found.

Every cliche that I have heard about public employees has been verified.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK FOR YOU!
YOU DID NOT HIRE THEM!
YOU DO NOT SIGN THEIR PAYCHECKS!
DISPUTE THAT!

they work for a government entity and their paychecks are signed by that entity's fiscal officer/treasurer........

.....what i cannot understand is why you do not call for the elimination of waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs and services that your governments continue to support. that is where true government overspending is found.

And right here we have the REASON there is "waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs that your governments continue to support":

The government EMPLOYEES who waste, commit the fraud and abuse of taxpayer money taken from them, and who DO NOTHING to EXPOSE the lazy, incompetent, ENTITLED employees, managers, and union reps that perpetuate this crap!!!!!

Originally Posted by ilovetv

And right here we have the REASON there is "waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs that your governments continue to support":

The government EMPLOYEES who waste, commit the fraud and abuse of taxpayer money taken from them, and who DO NOTHING to EXPOSE the lazy, incompetent, ENTITLED employees, managers, and union reps that perpetuate this crap!!!!!

you are absolutely RIGHT! it's just too bad that YOU do NOTHING to see that they are removed from office every time they come up for election!