Originally Posted by njbchbum

HARDLY!!! public sector employees DO contribute to the economy every time they pay taxes as well as purchase goods and services from the private sector! and with the amount of private sector unemployment which is due to private sector corporate greed, the economy is fortunate to have public sector employees spending money!


the public sector employee creed:

“We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing.”

But that money came from taxes in the first place, that was earned and the confiscated in the private sector. Public sector workers are just spreading that same money around again. They're not producing new money.

"You" take money from my pocket, spend it, and say you're contributing to the economy. You took MY money to do it.

Originally Posted by Loveithere

All the public employees spending money is another form of wealth distribution. Government employees are no better then welfare recipients. They just spend taxpayers money. Just like Obama's failed stimulus hoax. Just wealth redistribution. When are people going to understand that public employees are a hindrance on the economy. Small efficient government is the answer. 75% of public servants should be laid off, immediately.

and the employees in the private sector are spending the $ that the public sector employees paid for private sector goods and services that the private sector employer used to pay the private sector employees!

private sector taxpayers are the hindrance with their "i pay taxes - i shouldn't have to pay any more." attitude. they demand more and more from their government and think they should not have to pay for it!

if even 25% of public servants were to be laid off, the ungrateful taxpayers would be the first to scream, "where are my servants?"

richielion, katz, loveit - c ya tomorrow. 'puter time's up for tonite. had a great time witchas!

Originally Posted by njbchbum

and the employees in the private sector are spending the $ that the public sector employees paid for private sector goods and services that the private sector employer used to pay the private sector employees!

private sector taxpayers are the hindrance with their "i pay taxes - i shouldn't have to pay any more." attitude. they demand more and more from their government and think they should not have to pay for it!

if even 25% of public servants were to be laid off, the ungrateful taxpayers would be the first to scream, "where are my servants?"

Hardly, you never can find public servants when you need them. Why cannot some understand that public employees are the same as welfare people. They do not make money, they just receive taxpayer's money. This is why we are going broke. Small government is the answer.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

and the employees in the private sector are spending the $ that the public sector employees paid for private sector goods and services that the private sector employer used to pay the private sector employees!

private sector taxpayers are the hindrance with their "i pay taxes - i shouldn't have to pay any more." attitude. they demand more and more from their government and think they should not have to pay for it!

if even 25% of public servants were to be laid off, the ungrateful taxpayers would be the first to scream, "where are my servants?"

Herein lies the difference...folks either pay for services that they receive or they have the $ taken from them to pay for services that they may never receive.

I have never demanded anything from the government, have never received aid from the government, and have trained myself to be extremely self sufficient.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Herein lies the difference...folks either pay for services that they receive or they have the $ taken from them to pay for services that they may never receive.

I have never demanded anything from the government, have never received aid from the government, and have trained myself to be extremely self sufficient.

If most Americans were like you we could fire 75% of public employees and maybe start paying off our debt.

Originally Posted by Loveithere

If most Americans were like you we could fire 75% of public employees and maybe start paying off our debt.

I think most Americans are like me and I assume you too. We are the Silent Majority that is quickly awakening. We just need to keep at it until we get back the power that we have let slip through our hands.

The ignorance is staggering.

Go ahead - get rid of 3/4 of the people who do all those services. 3/4 of the cops, firefighters and teachers (think classes are over crowded now?). Knock of 3/4 of the military, the food inspectors, the people who fix your roads (no, you NEVER demanded services from the government) and make sure your water is clean.

There's no argument against the fact that there are places that CAN be cut (we just had a bit of a bloodbath here at the Air Force and are getting word this'll happen again next year). But you're in a fantasyland if you think that you could just lop off 3/4.

Full time civilian employees:
2010 State government employee count: 3,809,697
2010 Local government employee count: 10,965,982
2009 Federal government employee count: 2,823,777 (latest figures available)

That's nearly 18 million employees. You think you can just make another 13+ million unemployed?

Going to have 1/4 the staff in areas like police, fire, prisons, air traffic, water terminals, hospitals, sewers, solid waste management, parks, electric and gas utilities, schools (K-12), libraries, judiciary, transit, financial administration, the military, financial administration, and a whole host of other things I haven't thought of?

I think most Americans are like me and I assume you too. We are the Silent Majority that is quickly awakening. We just need to keep at it until we get back the power that we have let slip through our hands.



Most Americans are not like you - thank goodness.

Most Americans don't think it was very wise to cut taxes and, at the same time, start two wars. Both of which, by the way, you left for others to finish.

Too bad you and your ilk weren't worried about debt then.

Originally Posted by coralway

I think most Americans are like me and I assume you too. We are the Silent Majority that is quickly awakening. We just need to keep at it until we get back the power that we have let slip through our hands.



Most Americans are not like you - thank goodness.

Most Americans don't think it was very wise to cut taxes and, at the same time, start two wars. Both of which, by the way, you left for others to finish.

Too bad you and your ilk weren't worried about debt then.

We didn't start the wars. There is that little incident about 2 towers falling down, remember? Also, Obama escalated the war by sending 40,000 more troops over there. Cutting taxes stimulate the economy. Raise taxes and the stagnation results. Basic economy 101.

Originally Posted by djplong

The ignorance is staggering.

Go ahead - get rid of 3/4 of the people who do all those services. 3/4 of the cops, firefighters and teachers (think classes are over crowded now?). Knock of 3/4 of the military, the food inspectors, the people who fix your roads (no, you NEVER demanded services from the government) and make sure your water is clean.

There's no argument against the fact that there are places that CAN be cut (we just had a bit of a bloodbath here at the Air Force and are getting word this'll happen again next year). But you're in a fantasyland if you think that you could just lop off 3/4.

Full time civilian employees:
2010 State government employee count: 3,809,697
2010 Local government employee count: 10,965,982
2009 Federal government employee count: 2,823,777 (latest figures available)

That's nearly 18 million employees. You think you can just make another 13+ million unemployed?

Going to have 1/4 the staff in areas like police, fire, prisons, air traffic, water terminals, hospitals, sewers, solid waste management, parks, electric and gas utilities, schools (K-12), libraries, judiciary, transit, financial administration, the military, financial administration, and a whole host of other things I haven't thought of?

You start off with the caterwauling about cops and firemen as they did in the $30 million dollar union campaign in Ohio to stir up the people. It does not deflect from the point.

I can't speak for everybody else, but I'm not calling for the elimination of essential services and I doubt anyone else is. We're calling for the end of the ceaseless demands for more and more compensation for public employees who now earn more that any comparable employee in the private sector who pays for all the largess that is doled out to them by entities that don't have to earn that money.

I want public employees to know that YOU WORK FOR US. We pay you and we also have the right to question the amount of pay WE give you.

Dispute that.

I was referring specifically to the post that Loveithere made saying that 3/4 of all public employees should be fired that KatzPajamas agreed with.

As far as the attitude in general, Richie, I hope you'll take the following in the spirit it is intended.

I think one of the worst things that has been happening to us as a country is that our drive for efficiency (a good thing) has devolved into a race to the bottom where corporations treat their people like commodities (unless you're on the Board - you get a golden parachute there). Companies used to say their employees were their most valuable asset. This is no longer true.

Many people say that at least we're not like Europe with their unemployment problems. Well, I just looked up those statistics. The two largest EU economies have shocking numbers. Germany's unemplyment rate is *5.8%*!!! France is higher - matching our 9.9% but they have notoriously generous unemployment benefits, even by EU standards.

The VERY socialistic Norway? 3.2%

You can play with the graphs here:
http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...up&hl=en&dl=en

So all those high-tax Eurozone countries (with the notable exceptions of the PIIGS countries Portugal/Ireland/Italy/Greece/Spain) seem to have better unemployment numbers than we do...

So tell me again how we're supposed to be better now that we're paid less, do more, get fewer benefits and are treated like commodities more than the EU?

A lot of truths that I was raised to believe are turning out to no longer be true.

Originally Posted by djplong

I was referring specifically to the post that Loveithere made saying that 3/4 of all public employees should be fired that KatzPajamas agreed with.

As far as the attitude in general, Richie, I hope you'll take the following in the spirit it is intended.

I think one of the worst things that has been happening to us as a country is that our drive for efficiency (a good thing) has devolved into a race to the bottom where corporations treat their people like commodities (unless you're on the Board - you get a golden parachute there). Companies used to say their employees were their most valuable asset. This is no longer true.

Many people say that at least we're not like Europe with their unemployment problems. Well, I just looked up those statistics. The two largest EU economies have shocking numbers. Germany's unemplyment rate is *5.8%*!!! France is higher - matching our 9.9% but they have notoriously generous unemployment benefits, even by EU standards.

The VERY socialistic Norway? 3.2%

You can play with the graphs here:
http://www.google.com/publicdata/exp...up&hl=en&dl=en

So all those high-tax Eurozone countries (with the notable exceptions of the PIIGS countries Portugal/Ireland/Italy/Greece/Spain) seem to have better unemployment numbers than we do...

So tell me again how we're supposed to be better now that we're paid less, do more, get fewer benefits and are treated like commodities more than the EU?

A lot of truths that I was raised to believe are turning out to no longer be true.

Well, if your true to your beliefs then join the occupiers on weekends and your free time. Do not talk the talk---walk the walk!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Loveithere

We didn't start the wars. There is that little incident about 2 towers falling down, remember? Also, Obama escalated the war by sending 40,000 more troops over there. Cutting taxes stimulate the economy. Raise taxes and the stagnation results. Basic economy 101.

The two towers "falling down" had absolutely nothing to do with invading Iraq. Absolutely nothing !!!!

There is ZERO evidence Iraq had anything to do with 911. Junior and his minions admiited as much themselves. Al Quaeda had NO presence in Iraq prior to our invasion.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

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I want public employees to know that YOU WORK FOR US. We pay you and we also have the right to question the amount of pay WE give you.

Dispute that.

PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DO NOT WORK FOR YOU!
YOU DID NOT HIRE THEM!
YOU DO NOT SIGN THEIR PAYCHECKS!
DISPUTE THAT!

they work for a government entity and their paychecks are signed by that entity's fiscal officer/treasurer. they do not remit payments to you for their taxes, pensions, 401ks, and health covg. they do not request approval of their vacation time from you. DISPUTE THAT!

they go to work every day to provide a service: first responders, doctors, nurses, patient care givers, prison guards, garbage men, landscapers, motor vehicle inspectors, weights & measures inspectors, teachers, investigators, complaint bureau staff, professional credential reviewers/licensers, army, navy, marines, air force, coast guard, yada, yada, yada. those services are for YOU! use them or not! and if you don't want them - tell your elected officials to take them off the book...and then see what they tell you!

you do little more than fund local, county, state and federal governments. you elect people to make decisions for you re how your government will be run and how THEIR employees will be paid. and if/when you do not like the decisions that are made, it is your right and responsibility to vote for someone else. if you want to question the amount of $ paid to public employees or anything else...call your elected officials! they work for you because you elected them!

you can call all you want for the end of salary and benefit increases for public workers - and maybe someday you will be heard - but you will have to find a politician who will listen first! what i cannot understand is why you do not call for the elimination of waste, fraud, abuse and useless, overlapping programs and services that your governments continue to support. that is where true government overspending is found.