Originally Posted by Guest

I think the best method of getting rid of all those welfare babies is to mandate tubal ligation at the time of a welfare mother's second child birth. No abortions, no birth control pills and no more welfare babies.

And this is the party of smaller government? Mike Huckabee is your guy. He recently said as president, he would use the national guard to monitor every pregnancy.

Originally Posted by Guest

And this is the party of smaller government? Mike Huckabee is your guy. He recently said as president, he would use the national guard to monitor every pregnancy.

Um. Not quite. Huckabee's not my favorite candidate, but that's not what he said.

Mother Jones ought to be an acceptable source for you:

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told supporters in Iowa on Thursday that if he were elected president he would consider using the FBI or National Guard to end abortion by force. .."

Huckabee Says He'd Consider Using Federal Troops to Stop Abortions | Mother Jones

Originally Posted by Guest

Um. Not quite. Huckabee's not my favorite candidate, but that's not what he said.

Mother Jones ought to be an acceptable source for you:

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told supporters in Iowa on Thursday that if he were elected president he would consider using the FBI or National Guard to end abortion by force. .."

Huckabee Says He'd Consider Using Federal Troops to Stop Abortions | Mother Jones

So Mike Huckabee would use the FBI or federal troops to stop a legal procedure? On what grounds? Would he have the FBI and National Guard inspecting every woman's uterus, or would he build a wall around those uteri? This guy is a real whacko, IMO.

"The Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi pressed Huckabee at the next campaign stop, asking if he would use the national guard or the FBI to stop abortions. Huckabee responded: “We’ll see, if I get to be president.”

He then said he would use all resources available to stop abortions if he were to reach the White House."

Not exactly what you said when quoting him. You can read more about it, if you are so inclined.
Personally, I am more interested in foreign policy and the economy. But, I would shut down funding for PP, even if an investigation could not prove a criminal violation

The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.


McConnell voted no as a procedural move to preserve the option of bringing up the bill for another vote.

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who is both a co-sponsor of the bill and a presidential candidate, was the only member to miss the vote.

They're waiting until Sep when funding will be brought up for the new fiscal year. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

So, let's recap. The plan to defund Planned Parenthood failed. The Supreme Court ruled that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. The Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage is the law of the land. The Supreme Court many years ago ruled that it is a woman's right to choose to have an abortion.

Republicans are really in touch with reality, aren't they?

Originally Posted by Guest

So, let's recap. The plan to defund Planned Parenthood failed. The Supreme Court ruled that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. The Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage is the law of the land. The Supreme Court many years ago ruled that it is a woman's right to choose to have an abortion.

Republicans are really in touch with reality, aren't they?

It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

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Originally Posted by Guest

Why does it always have to be one or the other with your type? That person may be against abortion AND against single mother births. You can discourage single mother births by several means. One is to NOT add welfare money for each child born. Harsh? Maybe, but tough love may be called for. You can educate females at an early age about birth control and quit with the stupid shows on TV about teen mothers, unless the liberal Hollywood idiots want to show the hardship and negative but real aspects of raising children by single parents. If the gov insists on forcing everyone to purchase health care insurance, then they can also force single women with a lower income and not able to support children, to participate in birth control. As much as I hate big gov, if they are going to take responsibility for me having health care, then maybe this is something that they should also be responsible for, birth control enforcement. If the mother can't take care of the child properly, then take the child away from her until which time she is able to take care of it. Just different options to kick around. I am not saying that I subscribe to any of them, but I am just showing that it doesn't have to be "either one" of two choices that you suggest. One thing we know that doesn't work, rewarding those that have more babies by giving them more welfare. I know you are going to suggest that if we cut their welfare for having babies then we are encouraging them to seek abortion. That might be true, but if the gov quits paying for those abortions maybe FEAR of having to support a bunch of kids will give them incentive to utilize one of the many types of free birth control that's offered today.
Of course, I can see the need response of "Republicans hate women, Republicans hate children." Well, I have one for you liberals too. Liberals hate children because they want to abort them before they are even born. When you have more black babies aborted than born, that should tell you how the liberals think. What happened to "black lives matter" ????

Dear Guest: I happen to agree with much that you have said. apparently you misunderstand my comments. The reference to abortion and single mothers in my comments wasn't an and/or but a statement on how both of these issue reflects the march toward moral anarchy that continues.

Liberals celebrate both ,to wit: the endorsement by Hollywood starting with Murphy Brown. It may have been cool for a rich independent Murphy Brown but that is not the reality of most and even Murphy Brown's child was denied a father and worse yet probably had several fathers along the way....quite confusing for a child don't you think?

I did not extrapolate in my comments about all this because the subject matter was Planned Parenthood and I didn't want to get off line. I appreciate that you read my comments because I find so many posters on this forum that apparently don't read other posters comments but just want to rant and rave

Personal Best Regards:

I never did understand the concept of equating abortion with healthcare unless you have the democratic mindset that pregnancy is a disease. For the record, Obamacare hardly equates to controlling your own healthcare - the government is dictating what you must do or pay a penalty. Many people don't feel the government has our best interests in mind, as demonstrated by a long history of lying and deception on many, many topics.

Originally Posted by Guest

It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

Originally Posted by Guest

It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

Sen Warren is a POLITICIAN, plain and simple.

During the 2012 campaign an Obama aide said the President felt like Romney was stuck way back in the fifties and it turned out that he was right on every single thing.

Her tone and dismissiveness is becoming sort of routine for the Democrats.

YET...they would be the first to say you should be true to what you feel. Ignoring those who oppose this and find the recent videos appalling is ignoring the majority of americans.

She can strike that mocking attitude all she wants. MOST americans who are not in politics think there needs to be a discussion on Planned Parenthood.

Even your post tells everyone what they need to know.

You speak to VOTING BLOCKS and not principal.. You speak of POLITICAL PARTIES and not morals.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sen Warren is a POLITICIAN, plain and simple.

During the 2012 campaign an Obama aide said the President felt like Romney was stuck way back in the fifties and it turned out that he was right on every single thing.

Her tone and dismissiveness is becoming sort of routine for the Democrats.

YET...they would be the first to say you should be true to what you feel. Ignoring those who oppose this and find the recent videos appalling is ignoring the majority of americans.

She can strike that mocking attitude all she wants. MOST americans who are not in politics think there needs to be a discussion on Planned Parenthood.

Even your post tells everyone what they need to know.

You speak to VOTING BLOCKS and not principal.. You speak of POLITICAL PARTIES and not morals.

So women who speak out for women's healthcare are militants, but Jeb Bush, who said today that "we don't need to spend half a billion dollars a year on women's healthcare" is what? Astute?

It's Christmas in August for democrats.

Originally Posted by Guest

I never did understand the concept of equating abortion with healthcare unless you have the democratic mindset that pregnancy is a disease. For the record, Obamacare hardly equates to controlling your own healthcare - the government is dictating what you must do or pay a penalty. Many people don't feel the government has our best interests in mind, as demonstrated by a long history of lying and deception on many, many topics.

You never equated abortions with healthcare? They are performed in a sterile clinic or hospital. Birthing babies is equated with healthcare for the same reason.

The ACA is a health insurance provider. You pay a penalty if you opt not to get health insurance. Check out what Romney did. Works pretty good.

Originally Posted by Guest

So women who speak out for women's healthcare are militants, but Jeb Bush, who said today that "we don't need to spend half a billion dollars a year on women's healthcare" is what? Astute?

It's Christmas in August for democrats.

Give a Republican candidate a gun and he or she will automatically shoot themself in the foot. And Republicans don't want gun control!

You two who are on here giggling and laughing about stupid stuff and making wise cracks...

Have you seen today's video.....making plans to sell whole and complete babies, and while it is your right to support them, apparently this stuff is ok with you.

Be proud of what you stand for.

And just adding about that woman vote you wave around...


"Many Democrats have long hoped that Hillary Clinton might expand Barack Obama‘s electoral coalition by drawing in more white women voters."

"A new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll suggests she may have a tough time pulling it off. Mrs. Clinton is losing ground with white women and many other important slices of the electorate, the poll shows, amid a spate of reports about her email practices, speaking fees and foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation."

Hillary Clinton Loses Ground With White Women

The video about Planned Parenthood selling fetal tissue is a fabrication, a lie, made by right wingers who do not care one iota about children that are alive, only gestational fetuses.

Where are the caring Republicans who want to provide health care to poor women and their families in need? Nowhere! These same "pro-lifers" (an oxymoron for sure) decry poor women who have to feed the children the "pro-lifers" insist the poor must carry. Women with financial means will make sure they get medical services.

Only 3% of Planned Parenthood's budget goes to abortion services. That means a full 97% of its services are for women's, neonatal and family health. That includes birth control services. Take away that funding and more women and babies will die from inadequate health care. Without birth control services, more women will get pregnant and there will then be MORE ABORTIONS! Is that what you really want?!?!?!?

The Supreme Court, rightfully so decided that abortions should be legal in all 50 states back in 1973 with Roe v. Wade. That was a great decision and a great day. It gave women control of their reproductive rights. No one should tell a woman she should remain pregnant if she does not want to be! All children SHOULD be wanted and not a consequence.

The Republicans only want to chip away at women's rights and autonomy. It is for that reason, and among others, that the Republican leadership and platform make me sick.

I like it here in The Villages, but it is the preponderance of Republicans that makes the place far from perfect.

PLAN PARENTHOOD deserves every penny it gets. Their budget should be expanded. If any of you were truly Christian, you would see that Planned Parenthood benefits those in need and you would support its programs.