Originally Posted by Guest

You are so quick to demean Obama that you compare apples to bagels. The Eurozone has open borders. You can travel between countries without a passport. Take a look at the numbers of countries that border France. We have two. One isn't a problem, and the other is being addressed slowly.

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe you should be serious.

I am dealy serious. Too bad it does not align with your definition or interpretation.

You chose to focus on a specific to suit your agenda.
How about just accepting the Obama big picture....his incompetence; his inability to make a decision; his inability to risk a muslim negative conotation;

We understand the position you must adhere to that does not allow much lattitude!

Originally Posted by Guest

You are so quick to demean Obama that you compare apples to bagels. The Eurozone has open borders. You can travel between countries without a passport. Take a look at the numbers of countries that border France. We have two. One isn't a problem, and the other is being addressed slowly.

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe you should be serious.

We are so split by these freakin political parties.....

Bush closed the entrance to our country except by land from Mexico and or Canada, but if you read any history, security at those borders was unbelievable. He stopped any more access in the manner of the attack.

The French President closed his borders, and I am not sure if he grounded planes, but I do not think so. He closed them mainly to prevent escape, not entrance.

They both did the right thing, but our belief in party will not allow us to even discuss it intelligently..

One more point to keep in mind. France just allowed a bunch of refugees, but again, the borders were closed to keep people from leaving.

Originally Posted by Guest

Not blaming Bush for 9/11 at all. Just disputing your claim that he closed all borders. The northern and southern borders were not closed. Planes were grounded immediately for a few days - as they should have been.

Bush did an admirable job at that time.

At the time of 9/11 I lived along the NY State Border within 30 minutes of 4 official crossing Points which were all bridges .

Each of those bridges was shut-down within an hour of two of the attacks and remained so for at least 24 to 48 hours .

Following their reopening the amount of scrutiny at those bridges was extensive . What had been a very brief check by officials of both countries -- the US and Canada became extremely thorough .
In fact it is so even today . Where once your Drivers License was OK you now must have a Passport or an " Enhanced Drivers License [ NY State ] .

Originally Posted by Guest

At the time of 9/11 I lived along the NY State Border within 30 minutes of 4 official crossing Points which were all bridges .

Each of those bridges was shut-down within an hour of two of the attacks and remained so for at least 24 to 48 hours .

Following their reopening the amount of scrutiny at those bridges was extensive . What had been a very brief check by officials of both countries -- the US and Canada became extremely thorough .
In fact it is so even today . Where once your Drivers License was OK you now must have a Passport or an " Enhanced Drivers License [ NY State ] .

You are really messing up that revised history taught by the left wing websites.

You will confuse people, especially the Bush haters.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am dealy serious. Too bad it does not align with your definition or interpretation.

You chose to focus on a specific to suit your agenda.
How about just accepting the Obama big picture....his incompetence; his inability to make a decision; his inability to risk a muslim negative conotation;

We understand the position you must adhere to that does not allow much lattitude!

My agenda is for the Republicans on this board to get a grip of reality. Open your eyes. Take a look at the threads. Do you see any of them to even have a hint of moderation. Obama's incompetence as defined by who, the posters on this board, or the Republicans running for president! That's laughable.

Repeal and replace. Sure the decision was to throw out the empty words, and never back them up. Is that what qualifies as a decision by Republicans, or make Obama a one term president by opposing everything?

I am a moderate independent. I have all the room in the world. The far right Republicans can only do three things, criticize, condemn, and complain. They excel at all three categories. Unfortunately, none of the three are worth a damn unless you can back them up programs that help bring both sides together to actually get something thing.

Originally Posted by Guest

I have said many times on here that it runs both ways.

I also have said, even repeated it this morning, that the liberal/progressive/socialist is so much better at it. They control the mass media, not speaking strictly of the news networks, but the social media.

Heck, there are a number of websites around to support the 9/11 victim bill. Now, I support that bill, but there are so many website where you can get form letters to use wherever you want (we have on on this forum). They give money not just to candidates, but to causes (see the money given to Black Lives Matter); They have an innate ability to push more lenient voting rules.

All is not bad except, in that movement in my opinion it has become the norm instead of a supplement. Republican and conservatives are not in that class of of yet.

It is a compliment...just read this forum, then track down where folks get inaccurate information and you will see that the liberal/progressive/socialist movement are the driving force, to your point not the only one, but certainly the driving force on this medium.

The Democrats could control the social media, but does it do them any good? Isn't it the young crowd that inhabits the social media, and they as a rule don't vote in large numbers? I am just asking, because I don't go on social media sites. I am not sure what you would classify a social media sites.

Isn't Trump living on the social media? Given the amount of time that he is spending on mass media, and social media, I am surprised that the other candidates aren't asking for equal time.

Originally Posted by Guest

My agenda is for the Republicans on this board to get a grip of reality. Open your eyes. Take a look at the threads. Do you see any of them to even have a hint of moderation. Obama's incompetence as defined by who, the posters on this board, or the Republicans running for president! That's laughable.

Repeal and replace. Sure the decision was to throw out the empty words, and never back them up. Is that what qualifies as a decision by Republicans, or make Obama a one term president by opposing everything?

I am a moderate independent. I have all the room in the world. The far right Republicans can only do three things, criticize, condemn, and complain. They excel at all three categories. Unfortunately, none of the three are worth a damn unless you can back them up programs that help bring both sides together to actually get something thing.

Obama's incompetence as defined by: failed international relations and foreign policy, deteriorating race relations, a weak economy on the verge of another recession, the inability to work with congress, a scandal ridden administration, the inability to formulate even the most basic of military strategies, and on and on. A vote for Hillary (an Obama 3rd term) will be more of the same.

Originally Posted by Guest

My agenda is for the Republicans on this board to get a grip of reality. Open your eyes. Take a look at the threads. Do you see any of them to even have a hint of moderation. Obama's incompetence as defined by who, the posters on this board, or the Republicans running for president! That's laughable.

Repeal and replace. Sure the decision was to throw out the empty words, and never back them up. Is that what qualifies as a decision by Republicans, or make Obama a one term president by opposing everything?

I am a moderate independent. I have all the room in the world. The far right Republicans can only do three things, criticize, condemn, and complain. They excel at all three categories. Unfortunately, none of the three are worth a damn unless you can back them up programs that help bring both sides together to actually get something thing.

1. President Obama is the President. Inherent in that job is criticism, whether just or not. If you have been paying attention you might have noticed that, and frankly if you were paying attention to the Bush haters, it does not go away when you leave office.

2. Again, I know you hate everyone who is a Republican and anything related to the party, but things are not going so well. In the last 8 years, the average income has gone down; we are on the cusp of ACA going into effect, and with it a larger debt, more unemployment, and despite the impetus for ACA, health care costs are on the rise; terrorism, despite our being told otherwise is on the rise and not waning; we have had, and it seems will have more rioting in the streets; Republicans have all come forward as candidates with a tax plan, while the other party ignores that discussion; the President on immigration failed to keep his promise going in despite having both houses, and even failed to uphold US law at the borders to the south...his only immigration act was ruled unconstitutional because he bypassed those who make laws and he even supports protecting those who entered the country illegally by endorsing sanctuary cities.

To your point however, he has characterized the Republicans as terrorists, dummies, and a few other choice words, while in addition to ACA not even reaching. A 50% approval, he forced us into a treaty without support that will fuel the coffers of the terrorists; his actions have totally destroyed Libya, and put in great danger Israel. I was reminded yesterday how the French government wanted to get involved in Syria years ago when they were gassing children and guess who single handily stopped them....President Obama, after publicly drawing a red line. France will pay for that.

So you see, things are not going so well. He is the President and as one President said..the buck stops here.

I could go on, but no reason...you hate Republicans and feel all the above things were their fault, and that Obama has made zero errors..

Listen to the debate tonight and lisrpten as the "level playing field" is used over and over..,the free college, and on and on.

Listen and see if you hear helping business create jobs..nope all our problems are there.

When you run for President. Be careful...you might get elected.

I suggest to you, despite your condescending tone that I have a great sense of reality...I can see the problems because I wear no blinders supplied by either party.

Why you feel so much smarter...so much wiser than everyone amazes me, because you alone have twisted history to fit your needs so often it is not even remotely funny. You are not smarter than anyone else, you are not wiser, you do not have a better grip on reality than us poor dumb Republicans.

And the Republican Party is not the root of all evil despite what is in your head.

You float these hate posts about all things Republican when the candidate of the other party continues on her merry way. I can only assume from your disgust and hate for Republicans, that you support her yet never post why you support her.

You certainly, no matter your rhetoric, cannot support ANY Republican because after your words that would sure make you look foolish.

Only thing I can agree with is that ALL presidents get too much blame and too much credit. You folks who continually call everyone by a party label are the ones who have no grip on reality.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Democrats could control the social media, but does it do them any good? Isn't it the young crowd that inhabits the social media, and they as a rule don't vote in large numbers? I am just asking, because I don't go on social media sites. I am not sure what you would classify a social media sites.

Isn't Trump living on the social media? Given the amount of time that he is spending on mass media, and social media, I am surprised that the other candidates aren't asking for equal time.

I probably, well not probably, I WAS NOT clear. Sorry about that.

A good beginning would be to refer you to the thread title "Why have our Representatives Forgotten 9/11 Victims?"

I have no idea who really began that thread but I know this, it was begun as a result of a very aggressive movement to insure passage of the 9/11 survivor act. I happen to support that but if you read the links in there you will find a web of links to form letters, advice on who and how to contact, etc.

THAT is the kind of thing that the liberal/progressive/socialist movement is good at.

They had and still do such a strong data base on voter registration, voter turnout and the like. They have media outlets to watch other media outlets. This has been going on for some time but has been perfected in the last 10 years. This is one reason they do not want photo id for voting or anything for registration. They can get out the vote much easier without messing with that stuff.

Maybe media is not the right term, but they are really good at using the internet to move things in their direction. They can support movements like Black lives Matter and instantly make them a force.

That is what I meant and sorry wasnt clear !

Originally Posted by Guest

My agenda is for the Republicans on this board to get a grip of reality. Open your eyes. Take a look at the threads. Do you see any of them to even have a hint of moderation. Obama's incompetence as defined by who, the posters on this board, or the Republicans running for president! That's laughable.

Repeal and replace. Sure the decision was to throw out the empty words, and never back them up. Is that what qualifies as a decision by Republicans, or make Obama a one term president by opposing everything?

I am a moderate independent. I have all the room in the world. The far right Republicans can only do three things, criticize, condemn, and complain. They excel at all three categories. Unfortunately, none of the three are worth a damn unless you can back them up programs that help bring both sides together to actually get something thing.

For crying out loud, don't you liberals ever quit crying? Yes, this forum is primarily conservative. What did you think it would be when the majority of The Villages is Republican? The name of this website is Talk of The Villages. Did you get lost and find yourself here by accident?

Of course we give liberals are hard time. Why not, they are Anti-American and Pro-Socialism. They don't get respect because they endorse the biggest loser president in history and haven't learned their lesson. They are lazy and needy, and want everyone that does better than them to pay their way.

If you don't like conservative views, please do yourself a favor and go visit with the high school or college kid political forums. You should fit right in. Then you can plot your domestic terrorism and plan your protests, to see how you can disrupt the working class of the population.

We view liberals as spoiled and uninformed children. Prove us different. Socialism is old and does not work. So, don't try to kid people into thinking that you can slap a new name on it "progressive" and make it work in America. The world is better because of America's form of capitalism and form of semi-Free Enterprise.

Remember that Republicans in Congress get only about a 12 percent approval rating.

You are LOSERS.

The net President will be Hillary Clinton. Her debate tonight will prove she knows the foreign policy experience needed to lead the country. Trump, Carson, and Farina have NO experience in actual foreign policy.

Voters in REAL America know this. REAL America means outside you 6 or 7 Republican TOTV posters in The Villages - but people who actually know how to think.

Originally Posted by Guest

Remember that Republicans in Congress get only about a 12 percent approval rating.

You are LOSERS.

The net President will be Hillary Clinton. Her debate tonight will prove she knows the foreign policy experience needed to lead the country. Trump, Carson, and Farina have NO experience in actual foreign policy.

Voters in REAL America know this. REAL America means outside you 6 or 7 Republican TOTV posters in The Villages - but people who actually know how to think.

I believe they have a couple of different options for medicating that fantasy problem you suffer.

What foreign policy experience did Obama have when he was elected?
Other than stealing/theft, what business/commerce/economic experience does Shrilary have? And right now, our economy and the national debt is more important that foreign policy. Of course, some military experience would help. The only military experience Shrilary has is fantasizing being shot at in Bosnia. But, she is good at blaming video for terrorist attacks, if that counts.
Sorry but, listening to her tonight will only make your ears bleed as she tells one lie after another lie. And I can tell when she is lying, because anytime she is upright and her eyes are open, she is either telling lies or thinking of another lie.
Any of the GOP candidates would make a better president than Shrilary. Shoot, the person that delivers my mail would be better, and I don't even know her. But, I would vote for the mail carrier over Shrilary right now.

Remember that Republicans in Congress get only about a 12 percent approval rating.

You are LOSERS.

The net President will be Hillary Clinton. Her debate tonight will prove she knows the foreign policy experience needed to lead the country. Trump, Carson, and Farina have NO experience in actual foreign policy.

Voters in REAL America know this. REAL America means outside you 6 or 7 Republican TOTV posters in The Villages - but people who actually know how to think.

I apologize for being such a blatant sh..t. I am the real loser so please ignore this post.

Originally Posted by Guest

Remember that Republicans in Congress get only about a 12 percent approval rating.

You are LOSERS.

The net President will be Hillary Clinton. Her debate tonight will prove she knows the foreign policy experience needed to lead the country. Trump, Carson, and Farina have NO experience in actual foreign policy.

Voters in REAL America know this. REAL America means outside you 6 or 7 Republican TOTV posters in The Villages - but people who actually know how to think.

1. "Remember that Republicans in Congress get only about a 12 percent approval rating"

Explain please what the approval rating for Democrats in Congress is ??

2. You are LOSERS.

Are you speaking of a) posters who are Republicans b) ALL posters since you made that judgement, you are obviously above us all c) Republican party who controls mostly all the states, US Congress and House ?

3. The net President will be Hillary Clinton

I think you meant next with the x in the word.

4. Her debate tonight will prove she knows the foreign policy experience needed to lead the country.

She certainly will giggle her way through. I am doubting that any other Democrat will bring up her destruction of Libya, the mess in Yemen which was her call, and a few other things thus she may win the debate AGAINST OTHER DEMOCRATS. DUH....did you think other democrats would jump on foreign policy errors. Someone is a loser for sure.

5. Trump, Carson, and Farina have NO experience in actual foreign policy.

I realize you were being a smarta$$ with the spelling of Ms Fiorina but that is ok..that is what you do and you are good at it (be proud) But, tell us of all the experience that our current President had OR for that matter the other Democratic President before him....Clinton ? You know when you do not know what you are doing or saying, you are easily tripped up.


I just assume that your party demands you be loyal and tell us they are great examples of foreign policy. (Thinking France might disagree with you as Obama stopped them a few years ago when they wanted to ...oh, never mind here I am speaking with facts....sorry, forgot you do not deal with that well.

6. Voters in REAL America know this. REAL America means outside you 6 or 7 Republican TOTV posters in The Villages - but people who actually know how to think.

Gee....I was under the impression that The Villages WAS real America and I also was under the impression that real america does not like Ms Clinton very much as well as not trusting her at all.


Your statement about 6 or 7 Republican posters is a great example of who unaware you are. There are two Democrat posters on here criticizing your favorite candidate weekly or even more often. YOU are living in the past and in the little world your party has wrapped you in.

Originally Posted by Guest

Remember that Republicans in Congress get only about a 12 percent approval rating.

You are LOSERS.

The net President will be Hillary Clinton. Her debate tonight will prove she knows the foreign policy experience needed to lead the country. Trump, Carson, and Farina have NO experience in actual foreign policy.

Voters in REAL America know this. REAL America means outside you 6 or 7 Republican TOTV posters in The Villages - but people who actually know how to think.

If Clinton becomes the next president, say adios America!! She's just a continuation of Obama's liberal policies. Pray for your kids and grand kids that aren't at the wrong place at wrong time. Isis is coming for them