Originally Posted by RichieLion

Anyone who doesn't believe there's any organized "gay agenda" in this country, and that most all "gay americans" are paying attention and actively communicating with each other about it on social networking sites, does not know what is going on, and doesn't know diddly about what they're speaking.

A deep, dark conspiracy to convert everyone to "gayness"???

Originally Posted by DaleMN

A deep, dark conspiracy to convert everyone to "gayness"???

Sometimes I wonder why so few adults post on this thread.

I'm speaking to the disseminating of information and organizing of groups and mailings to sympathetic public figures and government representatives to pressure and cajole them to fight, or at least publicly support, the issues that matter to the gay community in this time in American history where the problems and concerns of the gay community are front and center in entertainment and litigious circles.

Comprehend?..............or are there more juvenile thoughts to share?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Sometimes I wonder why so few adults post on this thread.

I'm speaking to the disseminating of information and organizing of groups and mailings to sympathetic public figures and government representatives to pressure and cajole them to fight, or at least publicly support, the issues that matter to the gay community in this time in American history where the problems and concerns of the gay community are front and center in entertainment and litigious circles.

Comprehend?..............or are there more juvenile thoughts to share?

And what issues would those be? Lower taxes? Jobs? Economy? Right to marry? Out of Afghanistan?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Sometimes I wonder why so few adults post on this thread.

I'm speaking to the disseminating of information and organizing of groups and mailings to sympathetic public figures and government representatives to pressure and cajole them to fight, or at least publicly support, the issues that matter to the gay community in this time in American history where the problems and concerns of the gay community are front and center in entertainment and litigious circles.

Comprehend?..............or are there more juvenile thoughts to share?

Oh yeah....now I get it. You mean they are like a special interest group that supports and tries to influence issues that they see as beneficial to them?
You mean like small business, unions, the NRA, african americans, women, hosptitality industry, organized religion......stuff like that?

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Oh yeah....now I get it. You mean they are like a special interest group that supports and tries to influence issues that they see as beneficial to them?
You mean like small business, unions, the NRA, african americans, women, hosptitality industry, organized religion......stuff like that?

Exactly right. Did you think I was talking about something else?

The LGBT, and similar groups, are special interest groups. The gay community of today is largely plugged into the daily activities of these groups and their agenda.

I just can't figure our why the denying of a "gay agenda". Did I miss a "must be politically correct" memo or something?

You are so right, but how do I say be a fag but I don't want to know about it, and yet be supportive of equal rights for everyone. Being gay turns my stomach, but I still think everyone should have the right to exist and be who they want to be. Help me with this issue.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

You are so right, but how do I say be a fag but I don't want to know about it, and yet be supportive of equal rights for everyone. Being gay turns my stomach, but I still think everyone should have the right to exist and be who they want to be. Help me with this issue.

Well, first of all can the f-a-g word. It shuts down the communication instantly, just as the n-word shuts downs discussions of race relations.

This conversation is way past "right to exist". No one has even gotten close to that reactionary a discussion. We're just discussing their lives and interactions in a society historically dominated in all of recorded history by heterosexuals.

All gays are accorded, and really not ever denied, "human rights" in our more or less enlightened American society of the 21st century; but the question is about the matter of "human privileges" in a sense.

The question is pretty much about marriage, and maybe the adoption of children to be raised.

Then there is the LGBT agenda of teaching children in schools, by law, in their formative years that humans can be any gender, by birth or decision; and can be any form of gender specific, or non-specific, or any combination thereof, and still must be regarded as completely normal.

In other words; "It's all good". That's going to be a harder goal to accomplish, but they're making big inroads in that direction.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

You are so right, but how do I say be a fag but I don't want to know about it, and yet be supportive of equal rights for everyone. Being gay turns my stomach, but I still think everyone should have the right to exist and be who they want to be. Help me with this issue.

This may help.

Words of wisdom from Allen West on gays in the military | Jay Bookman

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is not a human rights or civil rights issue because there are remedies that eliminate those concerns. Hpwever, at the heart of the matter rests a physical, psychological and philosophical fact that has lasted from the beginnng of mankind. To attempt to re-define marriage to be other than between a man and woman is first absolutely wrong and secondly will forever change the dynamics of society and not for the better.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Well, first of all can the f-a-g word. It shuts down the communication instantly, just as the n-word shuts downs discussions of race relations.

This conversation is way past "right to exist". No one has even gotten close to that reactionary a discussion. We're just discussing their lives and interactions in a society historically dominated in all of recorded history by heterosexuals.

All gays are accorded, and really not ever denied, "human rights" in our more or less enlightened American society of the 21st century; but the question is about the matter of "human privileges" in a sense.

The question is pretty much about marriage, and maybe the adoption of children to be raised.

Then there is the LGBT agenda of teaching children in schools, by law, in their formative years that humans can be any gender, by birth or decision; and can be any form of gender specific, or non-specific, or any combination thereof, and still must be regarded as completely normal.

In other words; "It's all good". That's going to be a harder goal to accomplish, but they're making big inroads in that direction.

I
respect your opinion even though I think you are wrong. I say let them alone and quit trying to control their actions. They are citizens just like the rest of us regardless of how you feel about them. Live and let live I say. But then again, I am honest and tell it like it is and I do not word smith cowardly like some do. Don't you agree?

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

This may help.

Words of wisdom from Allen West on gays in the military | Jay Bookman

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No offence, I was trying to show my republican side. LOL

Originally Posted by rubicon

This is not a human rights or civil rights issue because there are remedies that eliminate those concerns. Hpwever, at the heart of the matter rests a physical, psychological and philosophical fact that has lasted from the beginnng of mankind. To attempt to re-define marriage to be other than between a man and woman is first absolutely wrong and secondly will forever change the dynamics of society and not for the better.

True and well stated.

The GOP cozies up to gay haters: Perry and Santorum make chilling statements on Uganda's homophobia* - NY Daily News

Ya gotta love the GOP take on Gay rights.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

I
respect your opinion even though I think you are wrong. I say let them alone and quit trying to control their actions. They are citizens just like the rest of us regardless of how you feel about them. Live and let live I say. But then again, I am honest and tell it like it is and I do not word smith cowardly like some do. Don't you agree?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I read your post as you having some really prejudiced views on homosexuality. Your word f-a-g, and the revelation that gays make you "sick to your stomach", was my first clue to your distaste for gays.

I was only trying to explain the agenda to you in a non-confrontational manner, and then you berate me for reasons only you can answer.

I have not posted any anti-gay rhetoric as you have.

I've only been speaking to their quest for equal recognition in societal matters without demeaning them as people, as you have.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I have no idea what you're talking about. I read your post as you having some really prejudiced views on homosexuality. Your word f-a-g, and the revelation that gays make you "sick to your stomach", was my first clue to your distaste for gays.

I was only trying to explain the agenda to you in a non-confrontational manner, and then you berate me for reasons only you can answer.

I have not posted any anti-gay rhetoric as you have.

I've only been speaking to their quest for equal recognition in societal matters without demeaning them as people, as you have.

I am not anti gay, I was just trying to speak in the GOP intent on women, gays and minorities. My point is that if someone is going to treat them like second class citizens, then man up and say what you mean. It is hiding to say they have less of a place in our country than we republicans do and then pretend that you have no problem with their way of life. Well, anyway, "I HAVE THE SAME RESPECT FOR GAYS, WOMEN, AND MINORITIES AS I DO FOR MY RICH WHITE FRIENDS" My intent was misunderstood, but after all my posts it should have been clear that I was being sarcastic. We have talked in person and you know where I stand and I know your true intent on this forum. Happy posting.