On the subject of Catholic Catechism and homosexuality, I found this in the Catechism.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Carl in Tampa

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

On the subject of Catholic Catechism and homosexuality, I found this in the Catechism.



2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.



2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.



2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.



Carl in Tampa



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The good sisters never covered THAT with us. Well, not in that way. Although 12 years of parochial brainwashing pretty much concurs what you have transcribed. Now I know why I think the way I do about this subject.

Thank you Carl

Originally Posted by Guest

Wiotte

You are correct. Not forbidden but not encouraged. Not a wise policy given that bible interpretation is, well open to interpretation.

Not forbidden? Perhaps we didn't read the same passages.

Characterizing certain actions as "indecent acts" hardly strikes me as an endorsement, but rather a condemnation.

Carl in Tampa

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Originally Posted by Guest

The good sisters never covered THAT with us. Well, not in that way. Although 12 years of parochial brainwashing pretty much concurs what you have transcribed. Now I know why I think the way I do about this subject.

Thank you Carl

Believe me...we're ALL brainwashed as kids. They fill our brains with crap.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are correct, mummy DNA has proved that .

Of course I'm correct...

"Mummy DNA unravels ancient Egyptians’ ancestry

Genetic analysis reveals a close relationship with Middle Easterners, not central Africans."

"The findings show that the mummies’ closest kin were ancient farmers from a region that includes present-day Israel and Jordan. Modern Egyptians, by contrast, have inherited more of their DNA from central Africans."

"Archaeological discoveries and historical documents suggest close ties between Egypt and the Middle East, but “it is very nice that this study has now provided empirical evidence for this at the genetic level”

"Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians."

"The researchers say that there was probably a pulse of sub-Saharan African DNA into Egypt roughly 700 years ago. The mixing of ancient Egyptians and Africans from further south means that modern Egyptians can trace 8% more of their ancestry to sub-Saharan Africans than can the mummies from Abusir el-Meleq."

Mummy DNA unravels ancient Egyptians’ ancestry : Nature News & Comment

It's ALWAYS the same...a successful people do well...UNTIL they start diluting themselves with outsiders...then everything goes to sh!t. We're doing...we've DONE the SAME thing!

“The other big surprise,” Krause said, “was we didn't find much sub-Saharan African ancestry.”

Originally Posted by Guest

While it is true that Catholics have not traditionally been encouraged to read the Bible and understand it for themselves, nonetheless they are not forbidden to read the Bible.

Here is that same Romans 1:26-27, in the Catholic translation.

Romans 1:26-27 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

"For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error."


Carl in Tampa

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Originally Posted by Guest

You are correct. Not forbidden but not encouraged. Not a wise policy given that bible interpretation is, well open to interpretation.

That's EXACTLY WHY they didn't want them reading the Bible...or even KNOW what they were saying! Everything was kept in Latin SPECIFICALLY to CONTROL what the congregation heard...and therefore believed. Why allow them to question the official party line?

I can't believe someone would be in a "religion" where everything was in a foreign language. You couldn't read the books, you didn't understand what the priests were chanting. ALL you had was what they told you it said/they were saying. Unbelievable what "intelligent" people will do/believe.

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A reason the Protestants..."protestors"...left and formed their own churches...they didn't agree with the party line that didn't agree with their "interpretation". So now we have over 5,000 different Christian sects.

Originally Posted by Don Baldwin

That's EXACTLY WHY they didn't want them reading the Bible...or even KNOW what they were saying! Everything was kept in Latin SPECIFICALLY to CONTROL what the congregation heard...and therefore believed. Why allow them to question the official party line?

I can't believe someone would be in a "religion" where everything was in a foreign language. You couldn't read the books, you didn't understand what the priests were chanting. ALL you had was what they told you it said/they were saying. Unbelievable what "intelligent" people will do/believe.

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A reason the Protestants..."protestors"...left and formed their own churches...they didn't agree with the party line that didn't agree with their "interpretation". So now we have over 5,000 different Christian sects.

Again, you are correct. Martin Luther was lucky he wasn't burned at the stake. Yet the Catholic Church has a billion followers. Far more than any other Christian sect.

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Not forbidden? Perhaps we didn't read the same passages.



Characterizing certain actions as "indecent acts" hardly strikes me as an endorsement, but rather a condemnation.



Carl in Tampa



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"Not forbidden" referred to reading the Bible, not the homosexual act.

Louisiana floods destroy home of Christian leader who says God sends natural disasters to punish gay people | The Independent

Originally Posted by wjboyer1

Louisiana floods destroy home of Christian leader who says God sends natural disasters to punish gay people | The Independent

God created Mother Nature and Man tore that God apart into pieces and made citadels of differentiation out of them.

Originally Posted by Guest

Again, you are correct. Martin Luther was lucky he wasn't burned at the stake. Yet the Catholic Church has a billion followers. Far more than any other Christian sect.

Isn't it nuts? I can see being a Protestant...but a Catholic? Them boys are crazy! Some of the sh!t they believe and do. The Catholic Church may be the richest organization on the planet...and yet every Sunday they're begging for more.

I don't trust the judgment of the highly religious...what else do they blindly believe?

Originally Posted by Guest

Wiotte

"Not forbidden" referred to reading the Bible, not the homosexual act.

I misunderstood. And I agree with you.


Carl in Tampa

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Originally Posted by Guest

"For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." --- Romans 1:26-27

"But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted." I Timothy 1:8-11

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.' --- I Corinthians 6:9-10

But, the Corinthians verse is modified by Paul's observation in verse 11. "Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

(All verses from the New American Standard Bible, identified by theologian Paul Enns as the most correct literal translation of the Greek Bible, while still being very readable.)

Carl in Tampa

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Well first remember that neither Paul, nor any of the writers of the Gospels, ever met the historical Jesus, so all of the Gospels are just hearsay. The oldest Gospel in the Bible is the Gospel of John, written no less than 85 years after the historical Jesus was dead. And anyway Paul was an old misogynist. Does your wife cover her head with a hijab, or are you forced to shave her bald? (1 Corinthians 11:6).

Originally Posted by Guest

Isn't it nuts? I can see being a Protestant...but a Catholic? Them boys are crazy! Some of the sh!t they believe and do. The Catholic Church may be the richest organization on the planet...and yet every Sunday they're begging for more.

I don't trust the judgment of the highly religious...what else do they blindly believe?

And do you know WHY you are a Protest-ant? Who was doing all the protesting? All Christians were Catholic until Luther. And two words: Joel Olsteen.

Originally Posted by Guest

Again, you are correct. Martin Luther was lucky he wasn't burned at the stake. Yet the Catholic Church has a billion followers. Far more than any other Christian sect.

Seriously, a "foreign" language? The language was universally understood by all, everywhere in the world. But you remind me of the old saw: A trilingual person speaks 3 languages, a bilingual person speaks 2 languages, and an American only can handle one language.