Here is the article from the horse's mouth about people collecting social security.
https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

Originally Posted by Guest

Your stupid and naive questions were not answered because I was not on here since I last posted. I went out with my wife.

Yes, liberals are socialists now. Unless you didn't even watch your own liberal debates, you would know that Hillary was trying to out socialist Bernie. Go ahead and tell me what the difference between today's Democrat party and Socialism. Debbie Whatshername couldn't, even after being asked on different occasions.

Regarding Social Security. That is my money that was forcibly taken from me. So, it is my money. I have never used Medicare. I paid for it my whole working life and have not used it. I have private Insurance that covers everything I need. I pay near a thousand bucks a month for it. Medicare is cr@p and doesn't cover anything but hospitalization, unless you have Medicare B, C, D for other options. And you have to pay for those after you retire.

We live in a capitalist country with some socialist programs. Granted. That does not make Socialism a good thing. It means that our country can survive with some form of socialist programs. Unless you are totally uninformed, which seems to be the case for a lot of liberal trolls, you will know that our socialist programs are not viable. They are failing. Social Security is failing. Medicare is failing. They are getting too expensive. You can not give to those that don't contribute, without sacrificing and leaching from those that donate forcibly. Socialism fails in every country, including ours. And do not give me an example of Denmark as successful. It isn't. Every country that has socialism, has to increase their taxes for EVERYONE in order to keep above water. Greece is an example of a prominent failure in socialism.

So, yes you can have a bit of socialism and survive for a very short time, but not in the long term. Our country tried it and failed disastrously at the very beginning. Ever heard of the Mayflower Compact?

Yes, I consider today's liberals to be socialists. If you don't, then explain how and why you disagree. You are good at throwing questions out and then demanding someone to answer them. You answer questions, if you want to be treated with respect. You think you are so witty by throwing out cr@p when you know someone is not there to answer, so you can look like you won your argument. All you did was make a snarky comment and left the forum. Childish.

I drop in and drop out of the forums....as do many here.

If it were not for Social Security and Medicare most of the current generation of senior would be in huge trouble. I for one, as my company was sold 3 years before I retired and the new one frozen our pensions during our highest earning years and did not honor the pledge to keep retiree healthcare. With my preexisting conditions I would NEVER get health insurance in the open market.

I agree that pure socialism fails but mostly because of the people receiving it not the system its self.

Just because someone is to the left of you doesn't make them:

1. A liberal....there really are moderate Democrats
2. A socialist .... you are confusing liberals with progressives ( I will provide a link to a source on that)

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders reminds America

3. While I support social programs for the poor and sick I don't think these programs should support people for years. Like this morning on,WESH News I think, they were reporting on welfare fraud. A middle aged women is accused of stealing additional money from welfare. She said "I'm on assistance for 16 years I know the rules" I thought you look well enough to work why have you been on welfare for that long? Welfare has its place as a short term solution.

I think this link expresses the kind of The United States I would like to return to:

No Really

But to sum that up for me is this paragraph:

the elected government has a responsibility to ensure that the functioning of a market economy adequately provides for basic needs for everybody


For years now corporations do NOT take care of their employee's, I know because I worked for a corporation that did for many years. Dr. Beckman's motto was

"There is no substitute for excellence" part of that meant we, the employee's we empowered to do the best job for our customer's. We made profits and had happy employees.

In corporations now almost everyone is afraid at Christmas because there could be another massacre. I left my job early, taking a package, to save a younger persons job.

The middle class, the engine of this country, are being pushed into poverty. No jobs, less benefits while the corporations are making big profits and stuffing the money offshore to avoid taxes. Why should I pay 18% tax rate on my income while companies like Merck, Segate and General Motors pay 0% taxes.

I did not and still do not believe supply side economics works...Maybe you could explain why, I think, you support it?

Hopefully I have answered your questions

Originally Posted by Guest

Here is the article from the horse's mouth about people collecting social security.
https://www.ssa.gov/history/InternetMyths2.html

Thank you good article

Originally Posted by Guest

If you are not using Medicare for a portion of health insurance, then you are a fool. Sure Medicare only covers 80%, but you can get a supplemental plan that covers the rest for around $500. per month for a family of two.

You have spouted this they took my money before for social security, and Medicare. The money that they took is a tax. That tax went to pay for people that were collecting at the time. They could cut these programs, and we would continue to collect until the unused money that is sitting in the national debt is gone. You do know what a tax is don't you?

The problem with Republicans is that there are no moderates any more. EVERYONE that isn't a conservative, or far right is a liberal. The last thing that most Republicans on this board want to give anyone that doesn't agree with them is respect. Name calling is the name of the game. You try to tag all liberals, which is everyone that doesn't agree with you, as welfare mom, dead beat dad, illegal immigrants, deadbeat or a freeloader. You know everyone that isn't a God fearing Republican doesn't deserve to be here in the US. The 80's and 90's saw a lot of the give away programs done away with. What is left doesn't amount to a pi$$ hole in the snow!

If you don't think that bigotry exists in the Republican party, you are kidding yourself. The attack on minorities rights, voting rights in particular, is there for anyone with their eyes wide open to see. The conversation of voter ids on this board will always go around in circles with neither party giving an inch. Republicans here will cry they are crying racism again. If the shoes fits!

If you don't contribute to social security, you don't collect. See the next post for the backup for this statement. Changes have to be made in social security to keep it going into 2030's. They will be made in the future. Social programs can only survive for a short period of time. What do you consider a short period of time?

You don't think unchecked capitalism ran a mock in the early 2000's, then how do you explain The Great Recession? Banks leading money to people that couldn't make their first payment. Then packaging these loans, and selling them with the AAA rating to financial institutions that believed the rating agencies. Dodd/Frank tried to prevent this from happening the future, and Republicans did what they could to under mind Dodd/Frank.

If Clinton, or Trump get elected president, things are going to get worse.

Why does everything on this board have to result in argument? A civil discussion here is totally not acceptable.

You don't know what you are taking about when it comes to Medicare. Medicare A only pays for hospitalization. If you want any more coverage, you have to pay additional for it. I have private insurance so I do not need it. Medicare was wasted money in my case. So, your saying I should have a supplement plan is just ridiculous.

You say there are no moderate Republicans? You are kidding, right? The ONLY conservative Republicans in congress are the Tea Party. Just about everyone else is moderate. The truth is that the Democrat party has gone so far left that they are not just liberal, they are socialists. Your DNC chairman can't even tell the difference between the Democrat and Socialist.

You don't know anything about Social Security either. I know that millions of spouses that didn't pay into social security that DO get paid Social Security.

Originally Posted by Guest

You don't know what you are taking about when it comes to Medicare. Medicare A only pays for hospitalization. If you want any more coverage, you have to pay additional for it. I have private insurance so I do not need it. Medicare was wasted money in my case. So, your saying I should have a supplement plan is just ridiculous.

You say there are no moderate Republicans? You are kidding, right? The ONLY conservative Republicans in congress are the Tea Party. Just about everyone else is moderate. The truth is that the Democrat party has gone so far left that they are not just liberal, they are socialists. Your DNC chairman can't even tell the difference between the Democrat and Socialist.

You don't know anything about Social Security either. I know that millions of spouses that didn't pay into social security that DO get paid Social Security.

I don't know what I am talking about, but you do. If you want more coverage, you have to pay for it. That is exactly what I said. Do you think that they hand out supplement plans for nothing? Well, they do. I have one Blue Medicare Advantage Plan. It is an HMO for seniors, that are covered by Medicare. There are co-pays with a maximum for a year. If you are hospitalized, you pay for one day at the hospital. I know plenty of people here, that pay for supplemental plans, and everything is covered by their monthly premiums. If you think that you can't the same coverage for less, you aren't looking.

Your second paragraph is laughable. The Tea Party are Conservatives. In what world, do you live in certainly not this one?

You know millions of people, who spouses have died, and are collecting SS benefits that their spouses earned. When a spouse dies, and you didn't work, the government should let you starve to death. There are older people, late 80's, and 90's, here in the Villages that aren't receiving a living income from SS. There are groups here that are giving them food to live on.

You are so far right that you are off the charts. You can't pass yourself off as a Conservative. Boehner was a Conservative. He couldn't wait to get away from the Tea Party. He left singing a happy tune. Ryan is a Conservative, and he wouldn't accept the Speaker's job unless the Tea Party acted like grown ups.

Originally Posted by Guest

No....too stupid to consider.

Nah....mostly likely you can't comprehend them!

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't know what I am talking about, but you do. If you want more coverage, you have to pay for it. That is exactly what I said. Do you think that they hand out supplement plans for nothing? Well, they do. I have one Blue Medicare Advantage Plan. It is an HMO for seniors, that are covered by Medicare. There are co-pays with a maximum for a year. If you are hospitalized, you pay for one day at the hospital. I know plenty of people here, that pay for supplemental plans, and everything is covered by their monthly premiums. If you think that you can't the same coverage for less, you aren't looking.

Your second paragraph is laughable. The Tea Party are Conservatives. In what world, do you live in certainly not this one?

You know millions of people, who spouses have died, and are collecting SS benefits that their spouses earned. When a spouse dies, and you didn't work, the government should let you starve to death. There are older people, late 80's, and 90's, here in the Villages that aren't receiving a living income from SS. There are groups here that are giving them food to live on.

You are so far right that you are off the charts. You can't pass yourself off as a Conservative. Boehner was a Conservative. He couldn't wait to get away from the Tea Party. He left singing a happy tune. Ryan is a Conservative, and he wouldn't accept the Speaker's job unless the Tea Party acted like grown ups.

He dummy, you don't have to die for your spouse to get Social Security. They base the spouse payment on half of what the SS recipient gets. YOu just don't have a clue.