Originally Posted by cologal

Obviously, you think that sexual orientation is a choice. But you would be wrong.

Your you trying to bait me, again? Show me where I came to that conclusion?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Your you trying to bait me, again? Show me where I came to that conclusion?

Here....

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Comparing race with sexual orientation? Really?

Any gay that wants to join the military we will just first have them stop off at Michelle's hubbys place and get fixed, errrrr, straigntened out. That should take care of the DADT or anything else that you all are worried about.

Get real we have had gays in the military since there was a military and maybe before that.

The statement that the US has been in more wars than Europe shows that you are not a student of history. We are way behind in the war score box against Europe. They started way before America was even thought of.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Eisenhower put men together of different races, not of different sexual orientations. It's a ludicrous comparison.

Do you want to sit on a toilet in a room without partitions next to heterosexual males, or take a shower in that same open room with them? Sexual orientation wise, it's the same situation.

You think men should be forced to share this open non-private space with men who are sexually attracted to men. Why shouldn't women share the same space with men who are sexually attracted to women?

I think you must be thinking of someone else in you liberal mag statement, because that wasn't me.

"Originally Posted by RichieLion
So the liberals at Science Daily have concluded that liberals are smarter than conservatives. Gee, who woulda thunk it?"

Does this jog your memory? Do you think all scientiests are liberal? I can tell you that from first hand experience as someone who has done research, that they are not. I could tell you the blood, sweat and tears that go into designing a research study, doing a very encompassing literature search, framing the null hypothesis, selecting and justifying your statistical model, choosing your level of probability, defending your statistical model, explaining why you are using a one or two tailed t test, defining the degrees of freedom of each variable, how you are defining your universe of subjects, how you then randomized that universe and it goes on and on. Implying a conclusion is due to falsifying data is a terrible thing to say unless you can prove it using the principles I stated above. I did my own research and mentored many many more studies.
Scientific research is hard. How many research projects have you done?

Back to the other issue: What makes you think every gay man is attracted to every straight man? My gay friends have great gaydar and they don't approach straight men. As I said, they are not stupid. If they happen to be having a bad gaydar day, they tell me they apologize to the guy and walk away. Gay men are not predators after every man's junk. Do you lust after every woman you see in an uncontrollable way? You have been sharing bathrooms with gay men your entire life.

As to the issue of intergrating the military not being the same as having gays serving openly, it is exactly the same thing. Prejudices had to be addressed and why drag this out? As I said 3 times before, do you think Eisenhower was a liberal social engineer? Calling everything you don't like liberal is kind of weak.

As to flaunting their lifestyle, once again, what makes you think they will do that? I agree that ANY PDAs (public displays of affection) while in uniform are out of bounds be it gay or straight. There are rules in place to deal with these issues and should be applied to gays just as they are to heterosexuals.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Comparing race with sexual orientation? Really?

Really! Both are genetic, not choices people make.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Really! Both are genetic, not choices people make.

Excellent answer!

Integrating different races is different then sexual orientation. If you can't see that then you do not have enough practical experience. Social experiments do not belong in our military forces.

I'm going to make this my last post on the mandated total integration of OPENLY PRACTICING homosexuals in the the open area non-private communal living arrangements that is the US military.

Trying to discuss this subject with liberal women who are obviously and totally ignorant of the military life, especially where it concerns the world of men, is frustrating and pointless.

I know you will take offense to that statement, but it's no less true because you do. So, I'm expecting it.

I would bet if any of you women walked in a bathroom or shower room today, and you walked into one open room with sinks on one wall, and toilets on another and shower heads sticking out of the wall at the end, you would quickly turn around and walk out of that room. You wouldn't be thinking of anything else except the lack of privacy there. Now you want to install that room into the highly charged subject I'm talking about and throw some b.s. at me about Pres. Eisenhower. For pete's sake!!

That's it, and that's all. Now you can say what you want to say, as I've said my piece.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'm going to make this my last post on the mandated total integration of OPENLY PRACTICING homosexuals in the the open area non-private communal living arrangements that is the US military.

Trying to discuss this subject with liberal women who are obviously and totally ignorant of the military life, especially where it concerns the world of men, is frustrating and pointless.

I know you will take offense to that statement, but it's no less true because you do. So, I'm expecting it.

I would bet if any of you women walked in a bathroom or shower room today, and you walked into one open room with sinks on one wall, and toilets on another and shower heads sticking out of the wall at the end, you would quickly turn around and walk out of that room. You wouldn't be thinking of anything else except the lack of privacy there. Now you want to install that room into the highly charged subject I'm talking about and throw some b.s. at me about Pres. Eisenhower. For pete's sake!!

That's it, and that's all. Now you can say what you want to say, as I've said my piece.

OK and here is my last word. Liberal is not a dirty word. You use that adjective whenever you want to bolster a shaky premise. And you completely ignored your own quote about the science magazine being liberal...still would like to know on what grounds you say that. Does your last word include not answering that? I will assume that it does.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

OK and here is my last word. Liberal is not a dirty word. You use that adjective whenever you want to bolster a shaky premise. And you completely ignored your own quote about the science magazine being liberal...still would like to know on what grounds you say that. Does your last word include not answering that? I will assume that it does.

Ok, I forgot the article. I obviously posted that article because it tickled me and I wanted to irk liberals with it. That was probably the only reason and it seems it worked to perfection.

Thanks for reminding me and for the smile I have on my face at this minute.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Ok, I forgot the article. I obviously posted that article because it tickled me and I wanted to irk liberals with it. That was probably the only reason and it seems it worked to perfection.

Thanks for reminding me and for the smile I have on my face at this minute.

If you think sounding ignorant is amusing, more power to you. At least you amuse yourself. I don't believe that is why you posted it...I think you can't justify what you posted. But oh well...

Originally Posted by ladydoc

If you think sounding ignorant is amusing, more power to you. At least you amuse yourself. I don't believe that is why you posted it...I think you can't justify what you posted. But oh well...

I didn't go back through my posts and look for it, but because I don't remember it, I have to assume I was "poking"; a favorite pastime of mine.

Although, now that I think about it, I can't find fault with the premise.

This is not the first time a liberal, or a woman, found my humor less than stellar, and I'm sure you'd find my wife in agreement with you on this. But it is what it is, I think..

So you don't like women or liberals. Wow, must be sort of lonely around your house.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Really! Both are genetic, not choices people make.

Where is your proof that homosexuality is genetic?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Integrating different races is different then sexual orientation. If you can't see that then you do not have enough practical experience. Social experiments do not belong in our military forces.

Why????? They are already there and most other major nations have already done it.

And both you and Richie Lion are out of the service..... LOL (Laugh its just a joke)