Originally Posted by Guest

I stand by my comments in post 30.

I deleted the other post.

"I could not ever trade my values and/or morals in to see a political victory"

Who did you vote for? Hillary?

If so...you DID trade your values for a victory...a hoped victory.

BOTH the D and R candidates are corrupt AND evil...there is NO lesser.

IF you voted independent...good for you.

Originally Posted by Guest

You sincerely have a problem if that response is it ?

What any Clinton has to do with an immoral and deceitful, mean spirited man in our White House, making a total and complete fool of you and me escapes me.

Bill Clinton was wrong, and he was impeached.

You dredge up history as if that wipes the hypocrisy we are experiencing ?

As I said to Rubicon....you can hate Clinton, or OBama all you want but to sell your soul for political victory, is inexcusable.

If political victory for you exceeds honesty, and country, then you win.

Only one device and smashed 13 plus was only few months ago. You defend lying rats nest and go after another, proclaiming the rats nest was clear of wrong doing. Impeachment was not punishment. Only candy to continue the Hershey fadtory.

I was a GOP for many years, and would not sell my morals for our President. You can, and obviously have, but I will not.

Your lack of mentioning what has occurred in your country the last year tells me a lot. Your only defense, and it does not serve you well is a trip back to Clinton, and frankly....and this, for me, is difficult. The lying and deceit, the lack of openness, the sheer dishonesty of Donald Trump far exceeds...FAR EXCEEDS anything they may have done, and I am sure they have done a lot.

My time on this forum, which I thought might be a discussion of actual policy has opened my eyes. The Trump followers on here are in that minority of extremists who share the philosophy of the white nationalist in the alt right.

They delight and enjoy using the internet to defame and attack other people. They are the suckers for the bots, as mentioned in the congressional hearings. They do not, cannot, love this country. They are victims, and shills at the same time to a lifetime immoral person.

When posters spout the same thing over and over and are even unable to discuss the person in the White House, they have become captive victims.

Deleting thousands of emails and Smashing 13 devices while under investigation wasn't that long ago. Would it really matter if trump was gotten rid of, just go after Pence then. Then speaker of the house.

I don't give rats ass about trump, I didn't vote for him or care what goes down. But, I can't listen to the whining of the Clinton machine for losing. She lost cause she lied, cheated, and carpetbagging for votes. Most people with brain finely seen that.

Originally Posted by Guest

You DO NOT ABHOR HYPOCRISY. YOU EMBRACE AND PRACTICE IT.

I have preached since before the election, to your VERY STRONG OBJECTIONS, the sheer and total hypocrisy of this entire presidency.

This morning you actually spoke of a poll on Twitter that is/was obviously the work of somebody's bot and you used that poll in exactly the manner they want you do...to divide.

Then, you come on here and profess values. You are a hypocrite of the highest order.

You PERSONALLY AND WITH GREAT EMOTION call me the victim of some made up syndrome because I object to a President who lies and deceives, yet you come on here and preach how wonderful you and your wife are.

Do you value honesty ? NO, YOU DO NOT. You actually with great vigor defend lying. You use people like Alex Jones, a valueless person who serves no purpose but to politicize with non truths. But you still tell everyone on here about your honesty. Sorry, you sold out and you did it for a man who defies every single thing you say you are against.

You speak of hypocrisy, but you practice it every day on here, and you do it with enthusiasm.

Listen, Rubicon, what makes you even more objectionable to me is I am a conservative.....I have criticized the Clinton's harshly and often on this very forum.

YET, I could not ever trade my values and/or morals in to see a political victory. My values supersede that stuff.

With you, your values, your truth, your honesty, are something you give up easily. You are bowing to a dispicable human being, and do not tell me that you don't love Trump, your posts are in adoration of every lie and every dollar he is robbing from us.

Never, on a forum or in person, have I ever encountered someone like you. You worship and defend a liar, while preaching honesty. For what reason ?

If you are driven only by your hate for Clinton, progressives, OBama or black people, then I suggest you examine closely your conscience.

You are a very very conflicted man.

I do have a hard time reconciling any Christians values with defending Donald John Trump. I value Rubicon's input on here though. He treats others with respect, which is nice.

Originally Posted by Guest

It is people like you who make Trump supporters look so bad.

Actually, you Trump supporters do a magnificent job of looking bad all by yourselves