pats2010: And what would YOU do if you were President!

Originally Posted by jebartle

pats2010: And what would YOU do if you were President!

First, I would have concentrated on putting people back to work so we can support the government instead of borrowing.

Second, I would have put the health care debate on the back burner until the jobs came back, at least.

Third, I would not be so thin-skinned that I have to make an "enemy list" like R.Nixon did. Sucking up to the bum-kissers and avoiding certain news agencies because they report what is really happening is not a way to conduct oneself in the White House.

Fourth, I would listen to my Generals instead of playing politics. His General asked for more troops and for months Obama just dithered. And when the General says something that he don't like, he fires him and puts in a General that he and the left scorned a few years ago.

Fifth, I would immediately pressure congress into extending permanently the tax breaks that will soon expire. How can the economy improve while businesses are on "hold" to see if taxes will increase.

Sixth, I would put to rest the threat of cap and trade and all other tax increases. Obama has turned businesses sour on the prospects of getting ahead. Most businesses are playing the wait and see attitude and putting all investments and employee hirings on hold.

These are just a few things that I have thought from my memory without researching.
We need major changes at the next election.

jebartle, when threads get long like this one has, it is hard for me to keep up with what has been said and the back and forth. So, may I very respectably ask you, for my sense of clarity, what specifically it is you are asking others, if they were president, to do or to cleanup. What do you see that needs to be cleanup, fixed, or changed? I guess I'm saying what issues are important to you that you are asking about.

bkcunningham: I will very respectfully reply that I'm for ANYTHING that will clean up this economy...I'm fairly new to this website and have been very dissolutioned by the bickering in this political forum, I should have my head examined for starting this thread, there will always be opinons, good, bad and indifferent, but I'm alarmed at the TONE of each response. Please, if we have opinons, share this with our congressman, and hopefully he/she will heed our requests. I know that dialogue is a good thing, BUT it is really alarming at the ferocity of the replies....Please, let's keep the PEACE!

game...look for sympathy by referring to what they inherited...whine about how what ever it is was worse than they thought (because what they did was not working).

The packaging of all things not attainable and their status as a product of the last 8 years is pure partisan narrow minded, non thinking smoke.

The measure of a GOOD executive is what he does with what ever he inherits. He does not blame the previous regime for the "mess"...they DO something about the problem. They do not spend time, wasting time measuring acceptability before action taken. They do what needs to be done, with dispatch, purpose, a plan, timing and accountable implementers.

Cut the blame BS and demand your man do something about it other than talk and play "not me,,,not mine. This type inaction would not cut it for 90 days in corporate America.

So school yard it is pathetic!!!!!!

btk

Originally Posted by jebartle

Great ideas BUT, HOW do you convince CONGRESS to term limitations, good luck on that one!....I agree that government is too big, but when BIGGNESS rules, how do you change the rules, too many FAT CATS, change the cats, how do you hold the new cats to the new rules when they are still making the rules!...Ugh!
Unions were originally to benefit the "little guy", when did that change?
Obama is only one person, I know he has a majority in congress, but for some reason, it doesn't seem to make any difference....because congress is NOT accountable!
I'd like to see Bills pass in congress on their own merit, instead of all the perks for individual congressman to please their lobbyist!!! And I'd love to see the end of the lobbyist!....And certainly last but not least, when will all parties join together for the good of the American people, yea Right, good luck with that one also!!!....
Incidently, I don't believe that BP should nurture a new generation of welfare recipients, granted they need to give them a boost but NOT a new generation of "gimme somthin for nuthin"....
Immigration, what a hot topic!...We need them to do the jobs that Americans don't want to do, BUT, when they become criminals, that is another story...Obviously securing the borders is difficult at best BUT it can be done!

Originally Posted by jebartle

I'm not a liberal, I'm an American, I want to clean up this mess in the worst way, BUT it starts with EVERYONE, not Republicans, not Democrats, BUT EVERYONE being civil and working together....AMEN

To be honest, you answered your own reply to me. It takes WORK by EVERYONE to make it happen. It's a slow process, by design, to effect changes. Otherwise we would have chaos if the changes were instantaneous and depended on which way the wind blew today.
Regarding your first reply, getting congress to agree, we need to elect people that agree with that and will stand firm, not just say what we want to hear, to get elected. That requires due diligence before we cast our vote. I.E., takes WORK. It is also up to ALL of us to make ALL politicians accountable, in a civil manner. Use of TRUTH and FACTS instead of rhetoric and hate speech. Dissing someone on a personal level is never productive. I never thought "Your mother wears combat boots" was a very effective comeback and probably is no longer a true dis anyway. As for the unions, when the union leaders started to push their liberal agendas and get very political about what they used union dues for and taking large salaries for the top leaders, the 'little guy' got left in the dust. Modern day unions are little more than a microcosm of government, for the most part. The main thrust is 'Entitlements'. Never mind ability, tenure is more important.
I agree Bills should stand on their own merit. We should not have to pass 2000+ page, unreadable bills to "...see what's in it".
Immigration is NOT the topic. ILLEGAL immigration is! Even the unions are complaining that illegals are taking jobs from the union guys. It's a fallacy to believe that we need them to do the jobs U.S CITIZENS aren't willing to do. Most (legal) citizens are willing to do whatever it takes to survive and get ahead. I (warning, Hate speech) hate the term 'undocumented workers'. Try being an 'undocumented worker' in any other country in the world and see how far you get. Go hiking along the border of IRAN and you end up in prison as a spy! 'Undocumented Criminals' should be dealt with appropriately. I'm so tired of our federal 'catch and release' policy. Who's running ICE? The DNR?
...but I digress.....

To me, it comes down to looking at what steps Obama has taken directly, openly and marked with "helping the economy," so to speak. The discourse in getting points across on this forum comes in at what Obama is doing more discreetly with his Progressive agenda and cohorts.

Anyway, to address some of what he says he's done for the economy and what he wants to do for the economy:

So far, he's passed a $787 billion stimulus plan, the largest spending bill in the country's history. Unemployment is at an all time high.

Capped executive pay. Appointed a task force to oversee the restructuring of the Big Three automakers. Appointed an auto czar to help direct federal funds.

Grants GM and Chrysler billions more in federal loans. Replaces GM CEO Rick Wagoner. Tries to broker a deal between Chrysler and Fiat and with the automakers' creditors and unions to avoid bankruptcy.

Announces $75 billion Making Home Affordable Plan; six banks sign up to participate. The two-part plan calls for servicers to reduce monthly payments to no more than 31% of eligible borrowers' pre-tax income or to refinance eligible mortgages even if the homeowner has little or no equity. The plan also includes incentives for loan servicers to modify mortgages for at-risk borrowers. People are still losing homes at record rates. Home prices are diving. Community organizing groups are working with people to buck the system and just quit paying their mortgages.

Secures release of the second half of $700 billion allocated for the Troubled Asset Relief Program before taking office. Announces broad outline of Financial Stability Plan in February, a revamp of how TARP money will be used. Offers outline on plan to buy toxic bank assets, then later reveals details on how its new public-private investment program (PPIP) will work. Conducts stress tests to assess big banks' ability to absorb losses if economic conditions worsen. Taps Fannie Mae CEO to oversee TARP.



Now, just two weeks ago, according to Obama, the economy is headed in the right direction, but the work isn't finished yet. He says the work left to be done is extending unemployment benefits, helping small businesses get access to loans, and providing relief to states to keep their teachers and law enforcement personnel employed.

Of course this means more taxes. Not better housekeeping of a mess, just more taxes and deficit spending.

When Obama said this on June 30 to a group in Wisconsin, he added that a number of Republican senators are using their power to prevent these measures from coming up for a vote:

"They still believe that, even after the Wall Street crash, even after the BP oil well blew, that we should just keep a hands-off attitude. They think we should keep doing what we did for most of the last decade leading up to the recession. So their prescription for every challenge is pretty much the same—and I don’t think I’m exaggerating here—basically cut taxes for the wealthy, cut rules for corporations, and cut working folks loose to fend for themselves. Basically their attitude is, you’re on your own. ...

"So I just want everybody to remember, we've tried the other side’s theories. We know what their ideas are. We know where they led us. So now we've got a choice. We can return to what we know did not work, or we build a stronger future. We can go backwards, or we can go forward. And I don’t know about you, but I want to move forward in this country."

Now let me ask you jebartle, why did Obama kick into campaign mode and talk down the Republican Party? The Democrats hold a majority, right. Why don't they pass what they feel need to be passed and be done with it?

At this town hall speech, Obama talked about passing "the strongest financial reform since the Great Depression, with measures that would help prevent another economic crisis from happening—but most Republicans are planning to vote against reform, including John Boehner, House minority leader."

Is that a strong leader or a strong campaigner for the November elections? Is that reaching across the aisle and asking for cooperation for the betterment of the country?

The President said, "The leader of the Republicans in the House said that financial reform was like—I'm quoting here—“using a nuclear weapon to target an ant.” That’s what he said. He compared the financial crisis to an ant. This is the same financial crisis that led to the loss of nearly 8 million jobs. The same crisis that cost people their homes, their life savings.

"He can't be that out of touch with the struggles of American families. And if he is, then he’s got to come here to Racine and ask people what they think. Do you think we should fix—I mean, maybe I'm confused. Do you think that the financial crisis was an ant and we just needed a little ant swatter to fix this thing? Or do you think that we need to restructure how we regulate the financial system, so you aren’t on the hook again and we don't have this kind of crisis again?

"When you ask men and women who have been out of work for months at a time, who talk about how they’ve been barely hanging on, they don't think this financial crisis was something where you just need a few tweaks. They know it’s what led to the worst recession since the Great Depression. And they expect their leaders in Washington to do whatever it takes to make sure a crisis like this doesn’t happen again."

He goes on then to promote his clean energy bill and the green jobs. All the while in campaign mode.

"Some of these same folks want to maintain the status quo, where we just rely on oil and other fossil fuels for all of our energy needs, even though we know that our dependence on these energy sources is a problem because they’re finite. They’re going to run out, and that jeopardizes our national security and our prosperity and our planet.

"So I want to move forward. I believe it is time for this country to embrace a clean energy future. I don’t want clean energy jobs to go to China. I don’t want them to go to Germany. I want those industries to take root right here in the United States of America. ...

"That’s why we need to pass legislation that makes clean energy the profitable kind of energy for America’s businesses. We’ve got to have a national mission to change the way we use energy and produce energy. And you know what, it will be good for our economy. It is going to drive our economy in the 21st century."

Now to me the weird part of his speech was at the end when he said,

"It is not time for us to look backward, it’s time for us to look forward."

Really, Mr. President?


http://money.cnn.com/news/storysuppl...ays/index.html

He looks like a GQ model and has nice white, straight teeth.

I have always felt that our national security should be the number one job of the President and he definitely has dropped the ball on this one. I'm just hoping he only has 2 1/2 years left to enact his destruction and I hope we will be able to recover.

Article II - The Executive Branch Note
Section 1 - The President

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

something nice = He won't serve 2 terms.

Yoda

Originally Posted by Yoda

something nice = He won't serve 2 terms.

Yoda

I hope your right. No, I pray that your right!!!!!

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Yes it is possible. ...

While his performance is not enough to attract my vote for re-election, I don't disagree. Those that have untreatable acid reflux over this President or any liberal holding a position of political leadership will no doubt submit the oft-repeated list of all the things he's done badly or not done at all. But the fact remains, under his leadership, quite a lot has been accomplished. We can disagree with various things that have been done--I do in fact. But this President has accomplished quite a bit, having faced the most challenging circumstances for any political leader in recent memory.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

While his performance is not enough to attract my vote for re-election, I don't disagree. Those that have untreatable acid reflux over this President or any liberal holding a position of political leadership will no doubt submit the oft-repeated list of all the things he's done badly or not done at all. But the fact remains, under his leadership, quite a lot has been accomplished. We can disagree with various things that have been done--I do in fact. But this President has accomplished quite a bit, having faced the most challenging circumstances for any political leader in recent memory.

How soon we forget September 11, 2001.

Bravo Pats!!!!!