Originally Posted by Guest

It appears the shooter is definitely one of the anti-abortion zealots. He holds anti-abortion and anti-government views, and according to an investigator, was talking about baby parts after the shooting. This is part of a continuing pattern of killings and terrorist acts by this fringe group of anti choice extremists.We have seen abortion physicians names put out on hit lists on the internet, arson, bombings, bomb threats, harassment, and eight murders. This has been a concerted campaign of violence, vandalism, and intimidation intended to intimidate people from working or utilizing the legal services of these clinics. The zealots are terrorist cowards and need to be stopped.

Dear Guest: A state that has as its state plant the marijuana plant is indeed bound to draw many crazies.

This man is obviously mentally ill. His beliefs and feelings concerning abortion and selling baby parts are real. However his response is irrational. Its why they define mental illness as arranging logical statements in an illogical order. People with mental illness feel deeply passionate about such things. This is a common thread within every shooting of this nature that preceded this one.

And predictably the political mumbo jumbo spews forward instead of cogent discussion on how our mental health system continues to fail this nation and its people.

Such political mumbo jumbo uses terms such as domestic terrorist and the need for gun control. Heck I'm surprised the Obama crowd hasn't blamed it on climate change

I am sadden that this man attacked Planned Parenthood because his attack will gain them sympathy and hence legitmacy as the agrieved.

The liberal media will make hay of this and the true and ugly nature of this organization unfortunately will never be acknowledged and in fact the media will continue to portray them as a responsible organization tending to the needs of women's health care. Now isn't that an altruistic and humane calling.

While some like me view it as a scientific approach of drowning unwanted baby girls

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

It appears the shooter is definitely one of the anti-abortion zealots. He holds anti-abortion and anti-government views, and according to an investigator, was talking about baby parts after the shooting. This is part of a continuing pattern of killings and terrorist acts by this fringe group of anti choice extremists.We have seen abortion physicians names put out on hit lists on the internet, arson, bombings, bomb threats, harassment, and eight murders. This has been a concerted campaign of violence, vandalism, and intimidation intended to intimidate people from working or utilizing the legal services of these clinics. The zealots are terrorist cowards and need to be stopped.

Some have this urgent need to make everything political.

Putting an obviously insane man into any catagory that is then used to politicize is simply wrong on so many levels.

Originally Posted by Guest

Some have this urgent need to make everything political.

Putting an obviously insane man into any catagory that is then used to politicize is simply wrong on so many levels.

I would argue that anyone who takes a human life has to be insane. This shooting was politically motivated. Some posters questioned the focus of the attack early in the discussion but it is crystal clear now.... Planned Parenthood.

Going back to the FBI definition of a terrorist act:

This was an act of terror!!

Originally Posted by Guest

BS!

Facts should not interfere with what you know to be true, even if the facts prove that what you know to be true is false.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: A state that has as its state plant the marijuana plant is indeed bound to draw many crazies.

This man is obviously mentally ill. His beliefs and feelings concerning abortion and selling baby parts are real. However his response is irrational. Its why they define mental illness as arranging logical statements in an illogical order. People with mental illness feel deeply passionate about such things. This is a common thread within every shooting of this nature that preceded this one.

And predictably the political mumbo jumbo spews forward instead of cogent discussion on how our mental health system continues to fail this nation and its people.

Such political mumbo jumbo uses terms such as domestic terrorist and the need for gun control. Heck I'm surprised the Obama crowd hasn't blamed it on climate change

I am sadden that this man attacked Planned Parenthood because his attack will gain them sympathy and hence legitmacy as the agrieved.

The liberal media will make hay of this and the true and ugly nature of this organization unfortunately will never be acknowledged and in fact the media will continue to portray them as a responsible organization tending to the needs of women's health care. Now isn't that an altruistic and humane calling.

While some like me view it as a scientific approach of drowning unwanted baby girls

Personal Best Regards:

Typical misguided mind spouting the party line.

Originally Posted by Guest

I would argue that anyone who takes a human life has to be insane. This shooting was politically motivated. Some posters questioned the focus of the attack early in the discussion but it is crystal clear now.... Planned Parenthood.

Going back to the FBI definition of a terrorist act:

This was an act of terror!!

Nope, you are wrong. The only thing you got right was that he was insane. He was a registered Unaffiliated voter. He was not a Christian or attending any Christian church, and he was violent. He may have been a racist because he was definitely against Obama. Although, I am also against Obama due to his socialist/communist/divisive and racist ideology.

This was NOT a terrorist act. It was the act of a deranged wacko. The only reasoning they have guessed at so far is that he is against PP selling baby body parts. The guy has anger issues for sure.

But, if anyone wants to make this out to be a political issue, they are wrong. There is nothing to link it to politics, or political party. And it is definitely NOT a terrorist act. Mass murder maybe, but not terrorism. It does not fit any definition of terrorism.

Originally Posted by Guest

Nope, you are wrong. The only thing you got right was that he was insane. He was a registered Unaffiliated voter. He was not a Christian or attending any Christian church, and he was violent. He may have been a racist because he was definitely against Obama. Although, I am also against Obama due to his socialist/communist/divisive and racist ideology.

This was NOT a terrorist act. It was the act of a deranged wacko. The only reasoning they have guessed at so far is that he is against PP selling baby body parts. The guy has anger issues for sure.

But, if anyone wants to make this out to be a political issue, they are wrong. There is nothing to link it to politics, or political party. And it is definitely NOT a terrorist act. Mass murder maybe, but not terrorism. It does not fit any definition of terrorism.

This time I am correct....

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

He targeted PP (a property)
Was armed with an assault rifle and propane tanks (force and violence)
Said no more body parts (political objective)

Meets the FBI definition......

Here is a link to the very very conservative paper in COS, I have lived there since I 16 and still own a condo there. Read what they are saying

Possible motive for accused Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood gunman: 'No more baby parts'

I love how some are so easily trained by their party or the media.

So if this was an act of terrorism, then there are many incidents that pre dated this one that need to be re-categorized as domestic terroris.

How about the muslim officer who kileed his miltary bretheren and was rules work place violence....to suit the party and the media.

By definitions currently being flaunted for the naieve to suck up, he was a domestic terrorist as well.

Some just do not have the ability to learn definitions and then use good judgement or common sense in their application.
And all over ridden by the current talking points guidance of the week.....right, wrong or indifferent.

Very lemming like.

Originally Posted by Guest

I would argue that anyone who takes a human life has to be insane. This shooting was politically motivated. Some posters questioned the focus of the attack early in the discussion but it is crystal clear now.... Planned Parenthood.

Going back to the FBI definition of a terrorist act:

This was an act of terror!!

Dear Guest: A number of years back and something like two years apart in separate tragedies but exact in methods two mothers drove their vehicle into the water drowning their children. In the first tragedy the mother was found to be insane. In the tragedy that followed the mother drowned her children because the man she was having an extra marital affair did not want children and so.. we have one insane and one desperate. Some kill for power some for monetary gain and indeed even in bygone days some killed for honor (duels, etc). Clearly for many reasons and not all are insane people kill.

You seemed obsessed with the FBI's definition of terrorism. So are Black Lives Matter domestic terrorist? What about the PETA people? How about those storming ships to prevent whaling, etc? What about climate changers? Perhaps the spoiled brats attending universities and making outrageous demands and blocking people such as Condie Rice. Anne Coulter,
etc from speaking at universities. It seems every group except ISIS are terrorists.

Progressives seem bet on moving from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: A number of years back and something like two years apart in separate tragedies but exact in methods two mothers drove their vehicle into the water drowning their children. In the first tragedy the mother was found to be insane. In the tragedy that followed the mother drowned her children because the man she was having an extra marital affair did not want children and so.. we have one insane and one desperate. Some kill for power some for monetary gain and indeed even in bygone days some killed for honor (duels, etc). Clearly for many reasons and not all are insane people kill.

You seemed obsessed with the FBI's definition of terrorism. So are Black Lives Matter domestic terrorist? What about the PETA people? How about those storming ships to prevent whaling, etc? What about climate changers? Perhaps the spoiled brats attending universities and making outrageous demands and blocking people such as Condie Rice. Anne Coulter,
etc from speaking at universities. It seems every group except ISIS are terrorists.

Progressives seem bet on moving from the sublime to the ridiculous.

Personal Best Regards:

Would you prefer I was another? Here ya go....

http://www.merriam-websteterrorismr.com/dictionary/: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

Seems to fit this situation.

Have Black Lives Matter used assault weapons and killed people? The others are just a silly defection.

If I was a "progressive" then I would have called for gun control but I have not...nice try but wrong.

Originally Posted by Guest

This time I am correct....

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”Sep 13, 2011

He targeted PP (a property)
Was armed with an assault rifle and propane tanks (force and violence)
Said no more body parts (political objective)

Meets the FBI definition......

You are wrong. It does NOT fit the definition of Terrorism. You are attempting to stretch the issue and make it a political statement. It is NOT political. It is not terrorism. He was a wacko with anger issues, period.

If you think this is an act of terrorism, then I guess you would try to convince us that these school shootings are terrorism also. But, you are wrong, either way. You cut a little blurb out from some FBI statement that isn't even complete.

But, if you wish to get hysterical over this and yell that the sky is falling, then you can go hang out with Chicken Little.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are wrong. It does NOT fit the definition of Terrorism. You are attempting to stretch the issue and make it a political statement. It is NOT political. It is not terrorism. He was a wacko with anger issues, period.

If you think this is an act of terrorism, then I guess you would try to convince us that these school shootings are terrorism also. But, you are wrong, either way. You cut a little blurb out from some FBI statement that isn't even complete.

But, if you wish to get hysterical over this and yell that the sky is falling, then you can go hang out with Chicken Little.

What are you maybe 10? I certainly am not hysterical, I gave the full definition from both the FBI and the Webster.

This is a terrorist attack pure a simple

Originally Posted by Guest

What are you maybe 10? I certainly am not hysterical, I gave the full definition from both the FBI and the Webster.

This is a terrorist attack pure a simple

Like I said, "hysterical."

There was no coercion or influencing intended. That is a requirement, even by your OLD definition. He was a deranged wacko, plain and simple. Sorry, but you can't make a Planned Parenthood martyr/victim from this guy's actions. If he went to a high school instead of PP, it would be the same. Just mass murder. He was not trying to intimidate the government.

Obama's close friend, Bill Ayers could give you a better example of domestic terrorism.

When this all began I read on a left wing website how the crazies on the right, once it was shown to be an anti-choice white killer motivated by his hatred of PP, those crazies on the right would loudly proclaim that this only happened because the shooter was insane, his personal mental health problem, nothing to see here about the lies that motivated him, nothing to see here about dominionist religious influences, just a lone wolf crazy person.

This man is obviously mentally ill. His beliefs and feelings concerning abortion and selling baby parts are real. However his response is irrational. Its why they define mental illness as arranging logical statements in an illogical order. People with mental illness feel deeply passionate about such things.

You see if one Muslim goes crazy on an army base, that is an indictment of an entire faith, and everyone who ever may have influenced him must be investigated. His computer must be searched for what websites he read, his friends must be investigated for their views as well. But if a white male goes on a rampage, that is just because he is crazy. No bigger story, and of course he was really only acting on his feelings and belief that are "real".

You may continue to ignore the FACT that multiple state investigations by GOP states into the allegation of selling of baby parts have now been concluded with the finding that there was absolutely no illegal activity nor any selling of parts.

If you really believe that abortion is murder, if you really believe that humans are being slaughtered in the Planned Parenthood clinics, then your standing by and doing nothing makes you no better than the Germans who smelled the smoke and saw the Jews and others killed in Europe. No it makes you worse, because those Germans had plausible deniability and no chance to shut down a concentration camp. Get out your guns, I know you have them, and do what your certainty and your faith commands you. Instead of crying out to Allah, be sure to call out to your warped vision of Jesus while you save the unborn.