and the results of his approach of mediocrity by him and his team:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/1-r...9?pagenumber=1

In short....a politician...totally devoid of leadership!!

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

and the results of his approach of mediocrity by him and his team:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/1-r...9?pagenumber=1

In short....a politician...totally devoid of leadership!!

btk

It seems amazing that folks reading Weidner's article can miss the same fundamental reality he has in his sophomoric attempt to get attention by trying to point out how an otherwise effective President may not be reelected.

Weidner would have you believe that the President has the power to force the banking industry to lend their money, all of it mind you, like they did until the house of cards crumbled, and that he can also require businesses large and small to hire millions so that the unemployment rate will instantly drop to an "acceptable" level.

Not only are those actions completely impossible for a President, but those of you who now criticize Obama for not having accomplished this would have been the first to holler "impeach him!" if he even tried to amass and use such power.

And it's ironic that to support another one of your frequent categorical generalizations about the President's inability to lead, you cite an author who lists a number of ways Obama has been effective.

So, it seems your passionate dislike for the President, stated in post after post, can obscure anything, even total contradictions.

Weidner is correct in crediting Obama with effective actions. They are actions within the Constitutional prerogatives of the Executive. He has continued to stretch his influence through arm twisting and media appeals, which every strong President has done. With the seriousness of the nation's problems and the gridlock in Congress, It's an understatement to say that's the kind of effort we need now.

Oh, by the way, are you all upset about the idea of of a $4 trillion budget trim to accompany dealing with the debt ceiling? In today's poll, 58% of Republicans liked what has loosely been dubbed the 'Obama plan'.

It's simple. Obama and his party are bad for America and it's people.

Vote Republican! Any Republican! America will love you.

ijusluvit...my post(s) have nothing to do with whether I like or dislike Obama. Right or wrong, I make my judgement based on performance...what he says he will do VS what he actually does...whether he takes a leadership role or as he does now on the budget crisis lay back and let the lawmakers thrash about while he makes speeches...whether he does what is right VS ALWAYS doing what the personal/party politics dictate...

Obama has demonstrated time and time again that he will not take ANY risk involved position and recommend or do what is right for America.

And since you quote the benefit of my previous posts, you forgot to remember that I am a performance based advocate....period...no R or D or race or religion
needed to make judgement on results measured against promises.

You are entitled to your opinion about what I state, but please do not try to restate the purpose or intent of my post(s) with your interpretation thereof.

btk

I agree with some of what the article says, disagree with others. Same with the previous posters on this thread.

What's more important to me now is how we get out of this debt limit pickle. From all that I'm reading and hearing, virtually all constituencies seem to be in favor of the Senate proposal that has been crafted by the Gang of Six rather than the Tea Party House-sponsored bill passed yesterday in the House. That House bill has no chance of enactment into law and everyone knows it. It seems to be a bill passed purely for political reasons.

The more attractive proposal seems to be that which is emerging from the Gang of Six in the Senate. That proposal is very consistent with the proposals made by the Simpson-Bowles Commission and seems to be embraced by almost everyone--except the Tea Party. That seems to include the business community, the financial press, almost all economists that I've read, the foreign press, even the financial markets and the majority of the American public.

The Tea Party proposal--no their demands, really--sets forth a set of conditions that are pretty good ones over the long run, but it'll run the country and our economy off the cliff in the next couple of weeks unless they get realistic. That's what maddens me about the Tea Party, they have some fundamentally good ideas--really good ideas as far as I'm concerned--but they are trying to get them implemented in a way that is sophomoric in the context of how the Congress works and potentially destructive to the country and even the world economy. It's as if they're new to playing the game and don't know the rules. They seem to want the big bite and want it right now, even though they'll find the bite difficult or impossible to swallow. They are adamant instead of accepting a pretty substantial "nibble" (if you call $4 trillion in deficit reductions a nibble) over a longer period and ultimately getting to all of what they stand for.

The potential disaster that would be caused by the enactment of "cut, cap and balance" is so obvious that the Senate has created their own proposed legislation, even though it is exactly opposite of what the Constitution dictates. The Constitution, in Article I, Section 7, says...“All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Our system of government has been in effect and evolving for more than two centuries. The Tea Party is not going to be able to change it in a 180-degree movement overnight. I hope they come to realize that and accept the almost $4 trillion cuts in the deficit that are on the table, leaving the rest of cut, cap and balance for another day--maybe after the 2012 elections. I sure hope they come to that realization soon.

Originally Posted by billethkid

...Obama has demonstrated time and time again that he will not take ANY risk involved position and recommend or do what is right for America....

Billy, with all due respect, the President's proposal to cut the deficit by $4 trillion, including putting Medicare and Social Security on the table, is a pretty ballsy move in my opinion.

No one wants to read the details of the Gang of Six proposal, the one the President endorses, but it's clear it makes him very unpopular with the Democratic base. The proposals made relative to revenue increases actually reduces individual tax rates and simplifies the tax code. The revenue increases come from the elimination of loopholes and unnecessary tax benefits and credits given to very narrow business groups as the result of lobbying efforts over the years. Heck, even all of the major business groups have come out in favor of the Senate proposal.

In my opinion to say that he simply won't take any risk is simply wrong.

Originally Posted by billethkid

and the results of his approach of mediocrity by him and his team:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/1-r...9?pagenumber=1

In short....a politician...totally devoid of leadership!!

btk

I totally agree. He is not a good leader.

I do not give Obama or any other politician one iota of credit for proposing tampering with Medicare or SS when there are more than enough known, wasteful, non-essential, politically motivated and protected programs that can be put at the head of the list.

It is like local politicians cutting school, police and fire fighter $$$, while retaining their pet programs.

These tactics are nothing but baiting.

If he was serious and if he was a leader he would back up his general pontificating with specifics he wants done to each program and when with what end result and when. He has earned, even from his beloved media shield the reputation for lack of specifics and follow up.

These are my personal opinions based on real leadership expectations...what are the deliverables on a given proposal? When can they be expected? Who is going to do what to make the promised deliverable happen? When? As measured by what/whom? All foreign to ANY politician. They are incaple, unwilling and in way to many cases incompetent!

btk

to btk,

The role of President is to attempt to lead in very much the way Obama has. The Constitution clearly reserves legislating to Congress, so it is not the Executive's place to give all the specific detail you claim he should. Repeatedly, Obama has given strong leadership shoves to Congress to act in specific direction. With "a deal" on budget reduction the major focus of Congress, Obama's original summary of the studies by the debt reduction commission; namely the idea of a nearly $4 trillion budget reduction, including some modifications to entitlements and a substantial revision of the tax code, has been largely adopted by the gang of six and is most likely to be the framework of final Congressional action. How is that not leadership to provide the 535 blundering self-interested folks with a plan?! THAT is his job, and as even your friend Weidner states, it's not the first time he has done it rather well.
I've not seen a single post of yours which has given the President any credit for any action. Instead your comments are categorically negative and critical. I have suggested that that total negative view is not accurate. I did suggest it might be because of some intense dislike of the President. OK, so maybe you don't dislike him. But your negative judgement of all of his actions is still far from an accurate or objective assessment.

Obama has doubled our debt. He said if they pass Stimulus bill unemployment would never be above 8%. It has never been below 8% and mostly over 9%. Business is afraid of him. That is not healthy for country's welfare. Wether real or perceived, we need new leadership to steer us back on course. Small business is our bread and butter and Obama treats them like xxxx.
I honestly do not think this man has a clue.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Obama has doubled our debt. He said if they pass Stimulus bill unemployment would never be above 8%. It has never been below 8% and mostly over 9%. Business is afraid of him. That is not healthy for country's welfare. Wether real or perceived, we need new leadership to steer us back on course. Small business is our bread and butter and Obama treats them like xxxx.
I honestly do not think this man has a clue.

Obama sounds to me like a good description of yourself.

Originally Posted by actor

Obama sounds to me like a good description of yourself.

Is this how debate goes on this forum? Instead of valid answers or opinions, you attack a poster. Do they allow this here?

I don't agree with the author on what he considers Obama's great accomplishments at the outset of his article. He credits Obama for the killing of OBL and that's fine as far as it goes, but It was done in a way that leaves me empty of any psychological closure. I don't know how many others feel this way.

Ended what unpopular war? Hello, can anybody tell me? We fighting everywhere we were before and now we've expanded into Libya. Hello?

Gave us Health Care? Don't know about you, but I have health care and I like what I have and don't relish it changing. That goes for the majority of Americans as far as I've read. ObamaCare is widely and wildly unpopular. How does this help him?

To top it all off, do Americans by and large feel that America is in a better place than it was before "The One" assumed power (I mean office)????

I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

To top it all off, do Americans by and large feel that America is in a better place than it was before "The One" assumed power (I mean office)????

Surprised you didn't say "The Colored One?"

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Obama has doubled our debt. He said if they pass Stimulus bill unemployment would never be above 8%. It has never been below 8% and mostly over 9%. Business is afraid of him. That is not healthy for country's welfare. Wether real or perceived, we need new leadership to steer us back on course. Small business is our bread and butter and Obama treats them like xxxx.
I honestly do not think this man has a clue.

If one begins a debate with a preconceived conclusion, there's little need for any discourse. It seems that you have made up your mind, but I'll try to point out a few fallacies in your thinking anyway.

President Obama has not doubled our debt. He's only been in office for 30 months and a brief review of the record does not show that the national debt has doubled since January 20, 2010. Not even close.

Secondly, the POTUS does not control the country's spending--the House of Representatives does.

Thirdly, as far as the proposal made by the Senate addressing the debt limit crisis, virtually every business group as well as other groups such as AARP have endorsed the ideas incorporated in the plan. Is that fear?

Lastly, was the POTUS sincere when he stated that he expected the economic stimulus expenditures would result in a lowering of the unemployment rate? I'm pretty sure he was. He was wrong. Is he the first politician that made a statement that turned out to be wrong? No, of course not. The media does a wonderful job of gathering examples of what politicians have said in the past and what they say now. All one needs do is watch TV programs like Meet The Press to get all kinds of examples. One might be "...mission accomplished", remember that one? Or how about "...I did not have sex with that woman..."?

There are thousands of examples of politicians making statements that turned out not to be true. The bigger question it seems to me is whether such statements were made to intentionally mislead the public or whether they were simply a mistake or turned out to be a mistake. Should we begin reviewing some of the statements made by candidates for the presidency and then how they try to weasel out of them only days later? I've made my share of mistakes, have you?