Originally Posted by RichieLion

Numbers don't lie, but the liberals do on this issue, and it's taken at face value by sycophant sheeple.

to the propaganda dispensed by Fox Noise,etc? You call yourself objective? Please forgive me for finding that laughable.

Guys say what you will or will what you say but when it comes to debates by politicians concerning spending my thoughts go to drug addicts you promise just one more fix and I'm done. It is why I agree with the Tea Party because if we don't do an intervention these guys will never stop. so argue about who did what to whom.....bottom line... while you do politicians will continually need their fix of your money and will go about stealing it from you any way they can.

I also think about Greece because that is the way our nanny state is headed

When I write my representative all I say is STOP THE MADNESS, STOP THE SPENDING

Originally Posted by actor

to the propaganda dispensed by Fox Noise,etc? You call yourself objective? Please forgive me for finding that laughable.

Your reply is no reply but more obfuscation.

Originally Posted by actor

to the propaganda dispensed by Fox Noise,etc? You call yourself objective? Please forgive me for finding that laughable.

You never contribute anything..do you know that?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

You never contribute anything..do you know that?

that's a complement.

Originally Posted by actor

that's a complement.

I rest my case. Does your grandson know how to spell compliment?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I rest my case. Does your grandson know how to spell compliment?

That's one for you.

Originally Posted by actor

That's one for you.

Do I sense a trace of humility? Good for you!!!

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

I agree with some of what the article says, disagree with others. Same with the previous posters on this thread.

What's more important to me now is how we get out of this debt limit pickle. From all that I'm reading and hearing, virtually all constituencies seem to be in favor of the Senate proposal that has been crafted by the Gang of Six rather than the Tea Party House-sponsored bill passed yesterday in the House. That House bill has no chance of enactment into law and everyone knows it. It seems to be a bill passed purely for political reasons.

The more attractive proposal seems to be that which is emerging from the Gang of Six in the Senate. That proposal is very consistent with the proposals made by the Simpson-Bowles Commission and seems to be embraced by almost everyone--except the Tea Party. That seems to include the business community, the financial press, almost all economists that I've read, the foreign press, even the financial markets and the majority of the American public.

The Tea Party proposal--no their demands, really--sets forth a set of conditions that are pretty good ones over the long run, but it'll run the country and our economy off the cliff in the next couple of weeks unless they get realistic. That's what maddens me about the Tea Party, they have some fundamentally good ideas--really good ideas as far as I'm concerned--but they are trying to get them implemented in a way that is sophomoric in the context of how the Congress works and potentially destructive to the country and even the world economy. It's as if they're new to playing the game and don't know the rules. They seem to want the big bite and want it right now, even though they'll find the bite difficult or impossible to swallow. They are adamant instead of accepting a pretty substantial "nibble" (if you call $4 trillion in deficit reductions a nibble) over a longer period and ultimately getting to all of what they stand for.

The potential disaster that would be caused by the enactment of "cut, cap and balance" is so obvious that the Senate has created their own proposed legislation, even though it is exactly opposite of what the Constitution dictates. The Constitution, in Article I, Section 7, says...“All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Our system of government has been in effect and evolving for more than two centuries. The Tea Party is not going to be able to change it in a 180-degree movement overnight. I hope they come to realize that and accept the almost $4 trillion cuts in the deficit that are on the table, leaving the rest of cut, cap and balance for another day--maybe after the 2012 elections. I sure hope they come to that realization soon.

We can all have our opinions whether they lean left or right. Take a look at the thoughtful analysis above. My compliments to a guy who really dissects the issues.

Do not know if I am doing this correctly but here goes:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...190228219.html

Thought this was interesting.

Originally Posted by tonyafd

We can all have our opinions whether they lean left or right. Take a look at the thoughtful analysis above. My compliments to a guy who really dissects the issues.

The only thing about the proposed $4 Trillion in cuts is that it's all smoke and mirrors. Promised cuts down the road historically have been forgotten about and reneged on when that promised trigger becomes due.

Without definitive cuts tied to any increase in debt limits, the cuts will not ever happen. Ideologues may like to embrace the rhetoric, but it don't pay the bills.

Its just amazing that no matter what happened or why the lliberal media and their readers had no problem laying it all at the feet fo George W...and in fact still do. But despite the under handed and end runs Obama made via his party dominated congress and dozen upon dozens of czars that bypass congress his two bailouts, his healthcare incentive , his throwing business after business under the bus etc etc etc...but none of this is Obama's fault. Poor guy is just misunderstood.

why the layoffs? Ask a businessman and they are all on hold to see for a better growth opportunity tax policies ,etc.

Obama is a poor leader

Originally Posted by RichieLion

The only thing about the proposed $4 Trillion in cuts is that it's all smoke and mirrors. Promised cuts down the road historically have been forgotten about and reneged on when that promised trigger becomes due.

Without definitive cuts tied to any increase in debt limits, the cuts will not ever happen. Ideologues may like to embrace the rhetoric, but it don't pay the bills.

I meant the Villages Kahuna, not you.

Originally Posted by tonyafd

I meant the Villages Kahuna, not you.

I know that. You were praising a post and I was responding to the glaring flaw in the post you praised. Get it now?

Originally Posted by rubicon

Its just amazing that no matter what happened or why the lliberal media and their readers had no problem laying it all at the feet fo George W...and in fact still do. But despite the under handed and end runs Obama made via his party dominated congress and dozen upon dozens of czars that bypass congress his two bailouts, his healthcare incentive , his throwing business after business under the bus etc etc etc...but none of this is Obama's fault. Poor guy is just misunderstood.

why the layoffs? Ask a businessman and they are all on hold to see for a better growth opportunity tax policies ,etc.

Obama is a poor leader

Obamas "service" to this nation as President has been bad for the country. Four more years would be as bad if not worse.

Need I say more?