Originally Posted by Loveithere

End of argument? Water boarding is not torture. If my liberal neighbor gives me mental anguish, that would qualify as torture? Come on, be serious.

I am being serious and you are not. Fear of imminent death is not the same as an Obama sicker on your neighbors car. At least McCain has had combat experience and is qualified to talk about what is and is not torture.

Originally Posted by Loveithere

I have a real good friend who was a POW and in their exclusive circle, John McCain's name is not held in high esteem. I can't tell you details but he is not highly regarded by them.

There is a lot of folks that new a guy that had a sister of a man married to a mother of a POW. Not the same as being there my friend.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

There is a lot of folks that new a guy that had a sister of a man married to a mother of a POW. Not the same as being there my friend.

No, I know him personally. He not only was a POW, he was my commanding officer and we e-mail each other regularly. It is called first hand knowledge my friend.

Originally Posted by Loveithere

No, I know him personally. He not only was a POW, he was my commanding officer and we e-mail each other regularly. It is called first hand knowledge my friend.

Second hand actually. He is the first hand you are the second.

Originally Posted by billethkid

the person to ask, including yourselves, if your family members were being held hostage by terrorists et al, and threatened to be executed in 48 hours and a captive terrorist knew the when and where abouts of the family....would some of you change your minds about what should or could be done to find their location and save them.....OF COURSE YOU WOULD.

Your current positions have no personal investment therefore very easy to pontificate right and wrong.

End of the REAL subject!

btk

Exactly.

And, since when does the American public, many of whom have zero military experience much less experience interrogating prisoners, get to advise and decide from their LazyBoy recliner our military command who are actually PRESENT in such situations???

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Torture? Have you checked out a youtube demonstration of waterboarding? Check it out...pretty humane if you ask
me. No physical pain, no blood, no permanent scars.
Then google what was do to Gaddafi prior to his being shot in the head...
Besides, the people in that part of the world have CHOICES and they chose to take his life!
Hypocritical? ...I will now submit this post before I type the obvious...

It's not an either/or. It's not a decision of waterboarding versus thug assaults before an execution. Besides - it was the LIBYANS doing the deed on Ghadaffi.

The discussion is how WE will present ourselves. The rules by which WE will act.

If we said it was torture in WWII, what changed between then and now? That's a question that NOBODY has answered. Remember, with the Japanese, we were in an official, DECLARED state of war with them. And yet, despite the fact that there WERE Japanese spies and saboteurs on our shores, we didn't torture.

Originally Posted by djplong

It's not an either/or. It's not a decision of waterboarding versus thug assaults before an execution. Besides - it was the LIBYANS doing the deed on Ghadaffi.

The discussion is how WE will present ourselves. The rules by which WE will act.

If we said it was torture in WWII, what changed between then and now? That's a question that NOBODY has answered. Remember, with the Japanese, we were in an official, DECLARED state of war with them. And yet, despite the fact that there WERE Japanese spies and saboteurs on our shores, we didn't torture.

How do you know that? Have you military experience. Many things happen that citizens are not privy.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Second hand actually. He is the first hand you are the second.

Now it is at a point of absurdity. I got the info from the horse's mouth. Got that buddy?

there is just way too much intellectualizing a subject that CANNOT be determined solely on armchair politics/opinions/feelings/BS/etc.

As I stated earlier...until or unless you are personally invested in the situation at hand you simply cannot make a determination....you can ONLY represent an emotional preference.

Forget the past and the Japanese and all the other fluff around the CURRENT issue(s) of getting information from terrorists to save American lives!!

btk

Originally Posted by Loveithere

I take umbrage to your comparison. Have you read accounts of Japanese tortures. Their death marches? POW accounts?

loveithere: Spot on...you were one post ahead of me. Can you imagine comparing water boarding to what the Japanese did in WWII. The problem with all of this is that the liberals labeled water boarding as torture. What we must do first is have a discussion on what con stitutes torture before we can discuss water boarding or the liberals will continue to jump right over the definitions

ARE THESE SERIOUS CONTENDERS?

Yes, scary isn't it? These bozos are what passes for serious contenders for the R's.

Originally Posted by coralway

ARE THESE SERIOUS CONTENDERS?

Yes, scary isn't it? These bozos are what passes for serious contenders for the R's.

Bozo's already in the White House, and hopefully we'll be taking down his circus tent soon.

Gee it's so much easier just making inane comments that mean little, the coralway way. Maybe I'll just keep doing it.

Why would you stop now?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Bozo's already in the White House, and hopefully we'll be taking down his circus tent soon.

Gee it's so much easier just making inane comments that mean little, the coralway way. Maybe I'll just keep doing it.

LOL Come one Richie, nobody can articulate deep thoughts and and inspiring conversation like he can.