Originally Posted by Guest

But bringing guns into Chicago from Indiana would be against the law wouldn't it? Why doesn't the law work? Why do criminals bring in the guns if they know it's against the law?.........because criminals don't obey laws.

I agree. If laws were obeyed our prisons would be empty.

Originally Posted by Lil Boy

Known as the "gun show loophole," most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks. ... Some states' requirements are limited only to handgun purchases.

Have you been to gun show lately?
Nevermind your post already answered that question...

You paint a picture of a bunch of gang bangers dragging their baggy pants legs up and down isles purchasing machine guns...not happening!

Get off your dumb ass and go see for yourself what you can buy at the gun show, that day with no paperwork!


Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk

Originally Posted by Guest

I agree. If laws were obeyed our prisons would be empty.

Too bad, you both don't realize that by tightening the gun laws in states like Indiana and Wisconsin, fewer guns would be available to be transported to Illinois for illegal use.....

Originally Posted by Guest

Too bad, you both don't realize that by tightening the gun laws in states like Indiana and Wisconsin, fewer guns would be available to be transported to Illinois for illegal use.....

Too bad that you don't realize that it is ALREADY illegal to purchase a firearm in a state in which you are not a resident, and it is also illegal to sell a firearm to a known or suspected felon. What new laws do you purpose?

Originally Posted by Guest

wjboyer1

Too bad, you both don't realize that by tightening the gun laws in states like Indiana and Wisconsin, fewer guns would be available to be transported to Illinois for illegal use.....

Well............no.

It is already a federal violation for someone to purchase and take delivery of a handgun in a state when they are not a resident of that state.

What Indiana or Wisconsin law would you "tighten" to prevent an activity that is already a federal crime?

Please be specific.

Carl in Tampa

.

Originally Posted by Guest

Well............no.

It is already a federal violation for someone to purchase and take delivery of a handgun in a state when they are not a resident of that state.

What Indiana or Wisconsin law would you "tighten" to prevent an activity that is already a federal crime?

Please be specific.

.

Firearm Acquisition Without Background Checks: Results of a National Survey. - PubMed - NCBI

Originally Posted by Guest

Too bad that you don't realize that it is ALREADY illegal to purchase a firearm in a state in which you are not a resident, and it is also illegal to sell a firearm to a known or suspected felon. What new laws do you purpose?

How Gun Traffickers Get Around State Gun Laws - The New York Times

Trace the Guns

Originally Posted by Guest

wjboyer1

Firearm Acquisition Without Background Checks: Results of a National Survey. - PubMed - NCBI

This study has no relationship to the discussion. This study is about transactions between individuals who live in the same state.

It is a federal violation for individual sales where one person is a resident of a state other than where the transaction occurs.

The only way such transactions can occur is by using a "middleman" in both states who has a Federal Firearms License. The FFL holder must do a background check.

Again, what state law would you "tighten" to control an activity that is already a violation of federal law?

Carl in Tampa

.

Originally Posted by Guest

This study has no relationship to the discussion. This study is about transactions between individuals who live in the same state.

It is a federal violation for individual sales where one person is a resident of a state other than where the transaction occurs.

The only way such transactions can occur is by using a "middleman" in both states who has a Federal Firearms License. The FFL holder must do a background check.

Again, what state law would you "tighten" to control an activity that is already a violation of federal law?

Carl in Tampa

.

hmmmm......firearms are not limited to handguns

Other posts have suggested tightening or closing the loophole allowing sales of firearms without background checks at gun shows, private sales....try reading each post and don't jump all over the one thing that you happen to disagree with. Keep the laws as they are: we will have more and more gun related deaths. Change the laws to make them more effective, fewer gun deaths. It looks obvious which alternative you want.....

Originally Posted by Guest

How Gun Traffickers Get Around State Gun Laws - The New York Times

Trace the Guns

Thank you for making my earlier point...criminals DO NOT obey laws, they either find a way to work around them or, if that's not possible, just disregard them.

However, I completely understand your mindset. Liberals can NEVER have too many laws or too many taxes.

Originally Posted by Guest

Thank you for making my earlier point...criminals DO NOT obey laws, they either find a way to work around them or, if that's not possible, just disregard them.

However, I completely understand your mindset. Liberals can NEVER have too many laws or too many taxes.

Closing loopholes in present laws can make a difference. It looks like your focus is not on making things better, but keeping the same laws and keeping the same level of gun violence.

Originally Posted by Guest

Closing loopholes in present laws can make a difference. It looks like your focus is not on making things better, but keeping the same laws and keeping the same level of gun violence.

What 'loophole' is responsible for the mass murder that happened in Las Vegas, and how would you purpose that it be closed?

Originally Posted by Guest

What 'loophole' is responsible for the mass murder that happened in Las Vegas, and how would you purpose that it be closed?

Evidently you only focus on the most recent event. This subject is a discussion of ALL gun violence and how we can improve our current laws and jurisdictions to prevent as many incidents of gun violence possible. This tragedy is just a terrible example of the availability of many types of firearms as well as "bump" technology that can modify weapons to increase the rapidity of gunfire. We all need to examine these weapons and technologies and make efforts to limit/control their availability.

America's gun problem, explained - Vox
gunslikecars.jpg

Originally Posted by Guest

Evidently you only focus on the most recent event. This subject is a discussion of ALL gun violence and how we can improve our current laws and jurisdictions to prevent as many incidents of gun violence possible. This tragedy is just a terrible example of the availability of many types of firearms as well as "bump" technology that can modify weapons to increase the rapidity of gunfire. We all need to examine these weapons and technologies and make efforts to limit/control their availability.

The liberal way of thinking is that if we can just pass enough laws and spend enough money, we can solve any problem.

The problem is cultural, many in our society no longer value human life.