Originally Posted by Guest

You're right, Carl, the poster wasn't a man. Just to give you a heads up if you don't already know, by hitting "QUOTE POST" on any post in a thread it redirects you to a page where you can see the last 10 posts with poster names revealed.

Btw, welcome to the political forum. You are breath of fresh air here. Keep posting!

So are you Abby.

Grace Gantner

It is a shame there is no more "middle ground" anymore. The Democrats, Progressives, Leftists have coalesced into a group which has been co-opted into a movement which seeks to destroy American values which have made the US the greatest nation on earth. Meanwhile the Republican party has become a bureaucratic morass which is only interested in being liked by the left and special interests groups which will send them back to D.C. each year.
Does America have problems? Yes, but having traveled and worked around the world it is still the best nation on earth.
Is America Racist? NO, but it does have those individuals who would divide us by using racially charged rhetoric.
WAKE UP. Look at what individuals and organizations or groups are saying and doing and what their agenda is. It is not the betterment of America. It is the transforming of America into a globalist, socialist entity ruled by unelected bureaucrats who are not answerable to the people of this nation.
AM I DREAMING? NO. Just look a the EU. Venezuela, and all the other socialist utopias which are failing around the world. Do we truly want to be like them... If they are so great I would ask these purveyors of the new world order why You aren't living there?

Originally Posted by Guest

It is a shame there is no more "middle ground" anymore. The Democrats, Progressives, Leftists have coalesced into a group which has been co-opted into a movement which seeks to destroy American values which have made the US the greatest nation on earth. Meanwhile the Republican party has become a bureaucratic morass which is only interested in being liked by the left and special interests groups which will send them back to D.C. each year.
Does America have problems? Yes, but having traveled and worked around the world it is still the best nation on earth.
Is America Racist? NO, but it does have those individuals who would divide us by using racially charged rhetoric.
WAKE UP. Look at what individuals and organizations or groups are saying and doing and what their agenda is. It is not the betterment of America. It is the transforming of America into a globalist, socialist entity ruled by unelected bureaucrats who are not answerable to the people of this nation.
AM I DREAMING? NO. Just look a the EU. Venezuela, and all the other socialist utopias which are failing around the world. Do we truly want to be like them... If they are so great I would ask these purveyors of the new world order why You aren't living there?

The Republican party, which I served for many years, no longer represents ANY values that I care about .

I valued small government, small budget, but most importantly the Republican party stood for (at least in my mind) HONESTY, TRUTH FULLNESS, CHARACTER, AND MORALS.

Those traits have gone by the way side. It is now a party that promotes conspiracy theories, personal attack politics, and condones the seat of our government lying to the american public and debasing american institutions.

This is not meant as a support post for liberalism, just an experienced Republican replying to your post to make them the good guy and they are not.

YES, I agree we need more middle ground and statesman, but in this specific and present situation, we are not going to have it because the party has sold out to the extremists.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Republican party, which I served for many years, no longer represents ANY values that I care about .

I valued small government, small budget, but most importantly the Republican party stood for (at least in my mind) HONESTY, TRUTH FULLNESS, CHARACTER, AND MORALS.

Those traits have gone by the way side. It is now a party that promotes conspiracy theories, personal attack politics, and condones the seat of our government lying to the american public and debasing american institutions.

This is not meant as a support post for liberalism, just an experienced Republican replying to your post to make them the good guy and they are not.

YES, I agree we need more middle ground and statesman, but in this specific and present situation, we are not going to have it because the party has sold out to the extremists.

IMO the post that you responded to was well written and thought out. Not sure where you get from his post (or maybe a her, sorry don't know) that he was trying to make the Republican party the good guy as you say. It seemed to me that he was calling out both parties, and politics in general, as the culprits in bringing down our society. I couldn't agree with him more. It would be interesting to hear from you, not just what you don't like about the Republican party, but what you don't like about the Democrat Party. It seems that much of your posting is very one-sided, although you call yourself an independent. Hasn't the Democrat party also sold out to extremist ideology? Are you suggesting that they don't lie, lack morals, or participate in personal attacks as you say the Republican party does? Seems to me that neither party has sole ownership of these traits.

Originally Posted by Guest

IMO the post that you responded to was well written and thought out. Not sure where you get from his post (or maybe a her, sorry don't know) that he was trying to make the Republican party the good guy as you say. It seemed to me that he was calling out both parties, and politics in general, as the culprits in bringing down our society. I couldn't agree with him more. It would be interesting to hear from you, not just what you don't like about the Republican party, but what you don't like about the Democrat Party. It seems that much of your posting is very one-sided, although you call yourself an independent. Hasn't the Democrat party also sold out to extremist ideology? Are you suggesting that they don't lie, lack morals, or participate in personal attacks as you say the Republican party does? Seems to me that neither party has sole ownership of these traits.

POST 3 from this thread......from me

"However both parties are getting so extreme. Democrats have no leader per se to give direction and are rudderless.....Republicans also have no leader but they own the WH which can be either a blessing or a curse and only time will tell."


POST 5 from the thread called...."Trump policies"

"The President, both this one and the previous one simply are not even making the effort. Since BOTH parties are now controlled by extreme wings who see each other as enemies rather than co workers, we are stuck with a lot of yapping, hating and personal attacks instead of legislation.

Just two but I have been advocating this on a number of threads.

On this forum, it appears not liking Trump gets you selective reading of your posts and a lot of assumptions.

PS...Do you selectively also analyze the posts from Rubicon who blames every malady in the world on anyone progressive or democrat...who believes everything is a conspiracy against Trump, or everyone who will not accept lying from our President, along with outrageous unsubstantiated accusations of felonies, and firing of anyone who gets close to questioning him, or are they taboo.

Oh and this comment..."The Democrats, Progressives, Leftists have coalesced into a group which has been co-opted into a movement which seeks to destroy American values which have made the US the greatest nation on earth." got my attention as one blaming millions of NON Republican AMERICANS for destroying the values of honesty, etc while watching a Republican president lie to us each day and accuse others of atrocities. That did get my attention for sure.

Originally Posted by Guest

POST 3 from this thread......from me

"However both parties are getting so extreme. Democrats have no leader per se to give direction and are rudderless.....Republicans also have no leader but they own the WH which can be either a blessing or a curse and only time will tell."


POST 5 from the thread called...."Trump policies"

"The President, both this one and the previous one simply are not even making the effort. Since BOTH parties are now controlled by extreme wings who see each other as enemies rather than co workers, we are stuck with a lot of yapping, hating and personal attacks instead of legislation.

Just two but I have been advocating this on a number of threads.

On this forum, it appears not liking Trump gets you selective reading of your posts and a lot of assumptions.

PS...Do you selectively also analyze the posts from Rubicon who blames every malady in the world on anyone progressive or democrat...who believes everything is a conspiracy against Trump, or everyone who will not accept lying from our President, along with outrageous unsubstantiated accusations of felonies, and firing of anyone who gets close to questioning him, or are they taboo.

Oh and this comment..."The Democrats, Progressives, Leftists have coalesced into a group which has been co-opted into a movement which seeks to destroy American values which have made the US the greatest nation on earth." got my attention as one blaming millions of NON Republican AMERICANS for destroying the values of honesty, etc while watching a Republican president lie to us each day and accuse others of atrocities. That did get my attention for sure.

Gotcha....thanks for the reply. I did miss those and I apologize. The poster had specifically outed the Republicans as well but i see where you are coming from with your last quote above. You do realize however that is the very reason Trump pulled in so many Democrat votes in blue states. At least many conservative and moderate Dems that I know saw it that way and said "no more" and voted for Trump. Being in one of those states, it was a shock to see and especially when the results came in on election night.

Since you brought up Rubicon, I have often wondered why you berate him almost everytime he posts, but I don't see you doing the same to those on the other side even though they have called Trump supporters various vile names. Isn't that also collective categorizing? As far as why I don't call him out is because he stands for what he stands for and he doesn't call out individuals by name on here. Even if I may not agree with him on everything, I respect him for acting like a gentleman. I'm not afraid of people having different views than mine. What I am fearful of is people who are not tolerant of mine and make it a point to try to shut me down because of it. (This is not necessarily directed at you, just trying to make a point.)

Originally Posted by Guest

Gotcha....thanks for the reply. I did miss those and I apologize. The poster had specifically outed the Republicans as well but i see where you are coming from with your last quote above. You do realize however that is the very reason Trump pulled in so many Democrat votes in blue states. At least many conservative and moderate Dems that I know saw it that way and said "no more" and voted for Trump. Being in one of those states, it was a shock to see and especially when the results came in on election night.

Since you brought up Rubicon, I have often wondered why you berate him almost everytime he posts, but I don't see you doing the same to those on the other side even though they have called Trump supporters various vile names. Isn't that also collective categorizing? As far as why I don't call him out is because he stands for what he stands for and he doesn't call out individuals by name on here. Even if I may not agree with him on everything, I respect him for acting like a gentleman. I'm not afraid of people having different views than mine. What I am fearful of is people who are not tolerant of mine and make it a point to try to shut me down because of it. (This is not necessarily directed at you, just trying to make a point.)

oK......

First, allow me to copy and paste my terrible post you alluded to...

"The Republican party, which I served for many years, no longer represents ANY values that I care about .

I valued small government, small budget, but most importantly the Republican party stood for (at least in my mind) HONESTY, TRUTH FULLNESS, CHARACTER, AND MORALS.

Those traits have gone by the way side. It is now a party that promotes conspiracy theories, personal attack politics, and condones the seat of our government lying to the american public and debasing american institutions.'

I keep saying it over and over, the same tune, and nobody disagrees with me HOWEVER they jump to come up with some sort of reason......

Trump is a liar....plain and simple. I do not want a President who is not a liar on policy (hell, I would give him a break on that), but lies on things that do not require lying, especially if he needs to make HIM, not the country look good. Heck, as a Republican how can you not notice he refers to his own party as THEY...which is insulating him from any responsibility.

He has proven over and over, not just in his first 200 days but in the campaign and in his past life...ALL of it, that he cannot be trusted. THAT is not a president I want.

Next on the same agenda.....the poster to which I replied said how the VALUES of our country were being destroyed by the Democrats. Now, there may be cases where I might agree with that poster, but as always it is a completely generic and general condemnation of millions of Americans which I have a problem with. AND with no mention of those destruction of values by the current President...not sure where to start...I always repeat these and nobody denies them.....how is it american values to publicly and on a worldwide stage demean our American Justice department, and even his own attorney General, his own intelligence agencies, firing THREE employees including the FBI director for having the audacity to investigate, he has demeaned amost every american value that we have. AND this is important.....he does it on a world stage...wherever sees it. i will stop and not mention the latest stuff, one of which...the use of boy scouts to chant his name...obliterates all kinds of American values.

ok..Rubicon......I mention him for a few reasons. First he is a prolific poster and most importantly he PREACHES DAY IN AND DAY OUT...all hate filled. You would think that ONLY he and those who totally agree have all the answers. I am sick of being labeled with some kind of syndrome that infects ONLY those who disagree with him. He has used Russian websites to make his point,; he has plagarized on more than one occassion, and yet he continues to lecture. He refuses to discuss any issues. I have challanged him by starting threads non anti Trump...simply on Syria, ISIS and a few others and he will not participate....he simply lectures and tells everyone that will listen how smart HE and Trump are and how all the latest conspiracy theories are all right.

He does this all with NEVER EVER EVER any substantiation.

I can tell you that I may be critical but I go out of my way to show WHY with links, etc.

He accuses the media of lying....why ? He has never shown anything to prove it, and is simply mouthing the words of Trump...you know the guy who represents the best of American values.

Sorry if criticizing him is offensive...of course I never get called names or anything, and I do not have his fan base of trolls who typically respond....GOOD POST.

Look, maybe you can tell, I am sick of the conspiracy theories (syndromes, Deep state, etc) that emanate from the deep hole of internet world. I am sick of being told how wonderful a person is who simply does not care that he is demeaning all of us to the world...FROM THE OVAL OFFICE.

This is an administration of hate and alt right. While I agree with many of the appointments he has made, and really think Kelly might help.

BOTTOM LINE....I do not want to be lectured by people on american values while supporting the lying and deception from the White House. All self serving and not for the benefit of the country. What President has an attitude about our country being attacked by cyber by attacking the group investigating what happened, or firing the FBI or welcoming that country into the White House and inviting ONLY Russian media there. Trust me, I believe in American Values....I believe in middle ground and I believer in compromise, and tired of being lectured about values by those who support a complete lack thereof.

Originally Posted by Guest

oK......

First, allow me to copy and paste my terrible post you alluded to...

"The Republican party, which I served for many years, no longer represents ANY values that I care about .

I valued small government, small budget, but most importantly the Republican party stood for (at least in my mind) HONESTY, TRUTH FULLNESS, CHARACTER, AND MORALS.

Those traits have gone by the way side. It is now a party that promotes conspiracy theories, personal attack politics, and condones the seat of our government lying to the american public and debasing american institutions.'

I keep saying it over and over, the same tune, and nobody disagrees with me HOWEVER they jump to come up with some sort of reason......

Trump is a liar....plain and simple. I do not want a President who is not a liar on policy (hell, I would give him a break on that), but lies on things that do not require lying, especially if he needs to make HIM, not the country look good. Heck, as a Republican how can you not notice he refers to his own party as THEY...which is insulating him from any responsibility.

He has proven over and over, not just in his first 200 days but in the campaign and in his past life...ALL of it, that he cannot be trusted. THAT is not a president I want.

Next on the same agenda.....the poster to which I replied said how the VALUES of our country were being destroyed by the Democrats. Now, there may be cases where I might agree with that poster, but as always it is a completely generic and general condemnation of millions of Americans which I have a problem with. AND with no mention of those destruction of values by the current President...not sure where to start...I always repeat these and nobody denies them.....how is it american values to publicly and on a worldwide stage demean our American Justice department, and even his own attorney General, his own intelligence agencies, firing THREE employees including the FBI director for having the audacity to investigate, he has demeaned amost every american value that we have. AND this is important.....he does it on a world stage...wherever sees it. i will stop and not mention the latest stuff, one of which...the use of boy scouts to chant his name...obliterates all kinds of American values.

ok..Rubicon......I mention him for a few reasons. First he is a prolific poster and most importantly he PREACHES DAY IN AND DAY OUT...all hate filled. You would think that ONLY he and those who totally agree have all the answers. I am sick of being labeled with some kind of syndrome that infects ONLY those who disagree with him. He has used Russian websites to make his point,; he has plagarized on more than one occassion, and yet he continues to lecture. He refuses to discuss any issues. I have challanged him by starting threads non anti Trump...simply on Syria, ISIS and a few others and he will not participate....he simply lectures and tells everyone that will listen how smart HE and Trump are and how all the latest conspiracy theories are all right.

He does this all with NEVER EVER EVER any substantiation.

I can tell you that I may be critical but I go out of my way to show WHY with links, etc.

He accuses the media of lying....why ? He has never shown anything to prove it, and is simply mouthing the words of Trump...you know the guy who represents the best of American values.

Sorry if criticizing him is offensive...of course I never get called names or anything, and I do not have his fan base of trolls who typically respond....GOOD POST.

Look, maybe you can tell, I am sick of the conspiracy theories (syndromes, Deep state, etc) that emanate from the deep hole of internet world. I am sick of being told how wonderful a person is who simply does not care that he is demeaning all of us to the world...FROM THE OVAL OFFICE.

This is an administration of hate and alt right. While I agree with many of the appointments he has made, and really think Kelly might help.

BOTTOM LINE....I do not want to be lectured by people on american values while supporting the lying and deception from the White House. All self serving and not for the benefit of the country. What President has an attitude about our country being attacked by cyber by attacking the group investigating what happened, or firing the FBI or welcoming that country into the White House and inviting ONLY Russian media there. Trust me, I believe in American Values....I believe in middle ground and I believer in compromise, and tired of being lectured about values by those who support a complete lack thereof.

I'm getting the gist of your concerns and your desire to not be lectured......totally understandable. And I'm sorry if I have participated in that - it reminds me of my husband's kind warnings - it's not what you're asking/saying, it's your tone. So maybe I need to watch my tone here as my desire is not to be offensive or to offend. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Hopefully we can continue on a better footing from here on out.

Originally Posted by Guest

Gotcha....thanks for the reply. I did miss those and I apologize. The poster had specifically outed the Republicans as well but i see where you are coming from with your last quote above. You do realize however that is the very reason Trump pulled in so many Democrat votes in blue states. At least many conservative and moderate Dems that I know saw it that way and said "no more" and voted for Trump. Being in one of those states, it was a shock to see and especially when the results came in on election night.

Since you brought up Rubicon, I have often wondered why you berate him almost everytime he posts, but I don't see you doing the same to those on the other side even though they have called Trump supporters various vile names. Isn't that also collective categorizing? As far as why I don't call him out is because he stands for what he stands for and he doesn't call out individuals by name on here. Even if I may not agree with him on everything, I respect him for acting like a gentleman. I'm not afraid of people having different views than mine. What I am fearful of is people who are not tolerant of mine and make it a point to try to shut me down because of it. (This is not necessarily directed at you, just trying to make a point.)

"since you brought up Rubicon" I don't know who (you) is? And since I do not know (you) must be on my ignore list. and if (you) is on my ignore list then it means that (you) in my humble opinion has nothing of substantive value to offer.

I am on this forum to share and to learn. I am not interested in defending myself to adolescent posters whose only intent is to cause mischief. It doesn't matter what [t]hey say about me. Other posters either agree or disagree with my comments. that's fine and that is what makes the world go around. Live and let live

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

"since you brought up Rubicon" I don't know who (you) is? And since I do not know (you) must be on my ignore list. and if (you) is on my ignore list then it means that (you) in my humble opinion has nothing of substantive value to offer.

I am on this forum to share and to learn. I am not interested in defending myself to adolescent posters whose only intent is to cause mischief. It doesn't matter what [t]hey say about me. Other posters either agree or disagree with my comments. that's fine and that is what makes the world go around. Live and let live

Personal Best Regards:

You live in LaLa land. YOu are the biggest violator on here and you have the audacity to act like your only concern is a civil discussion. WHen have you EVER/EVER been civil .

Never mind, I just popped in to see if anything has changed. Obviously not. You bash the president and use a different heading for the thread, but the same exact B.S.

Originally Posted by RubiTHECon

"since you brought up Rubicon" I don't know who (you) is? And since I do not know (you) must be on my ignore list. and if (you) is on my ignore list then it means that (you) in my humble opinion has nothing of substantive value to offer.

I am on this forum to share and to learn. I am not interested in defending myself to adolescent posters whose only intent is to cause mischief. It doesn't matter what [t]hey say about me. Other posters either agree or disagree with my comments. that's fine and that is what makes the world go around. Live and let live

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by MOCPD

You live in LaLa land. YOu are the biggest violator on here and you have the audacity to act like your only concern is a civil discussion. WHen have you EVER/EVER been civil .

Never mind, I just popped in to see if anything has changed. Obviously not. You bash the president and use a different heading for the thread, but the same exact B.S.

Maybe the best 'ignorant karma moment' on the political forum...EVER!!


Thanks for the rolling on the floor laughing moment!

Originally Posted by Guest

Maybe the best 'ignorant karma moment' on the political forum...EVER!!


Thanks for the rolling on the floor laughing moment!

Of course you are. It's the only way you get your floor cleaned. I'm always available to set a liar and hypocrite straight when they make blatant comments about how civil they wish the discussion to be, when they are as nasty as you are on a daily basis.

Carry on, knowing that you are not fooling anyone with your dumb @ss comments on being civil.

Sorry, I won't be able to read your response. I don't plan on being on here on a consistant basis since you do not wish to discuss politics. I see that there are no NEW items of interst threads started. I guess you can't find links of news to start new threads so you just put some juvenile title on the same continuing disparagement of the President. What a bunch of losers.

Better go look for your next victim for 2020. At the rate you all are going, there will be NO Democrat party before long. You have no one to run in the next presidential. I hope you choose PokaNotUs or Crazy wig Waters. At least your loss will be entertaining.

Adios sucker.

Originally Posted by MOCPD

Of course you are. It's the only way you get your floor cleaned. I'm always available to set a liar and hypocrite straight when they make blatant comments about how civil they wish the discussion to be, when they are as nasty as you are on a daily basis.

Carry on, knowing that you are not fooling anyone with your dumb @ss comments on being civil.

Sorry, I won't be able to read your response. I don't plan on being on here on a consistant basis since you do not wish to discuss politics. I see that there are no NEW items of interst threads started. I guess you can't find links of news to start new threads so you just put some juvenile title on the same continuing disparagement of the President. What a bunch of losers.

Better go look for your next victim for 2020. At the rate you all are going, there will be NO Democrat party before long. You have no one to run in the next presidential. I hope you choose PokaNotUs or Crazy wig Waters. At least your loss will be entertaining.

Adios sucker.

You didn't even bother to look who posted, proceeded to rip into your own butt-buddy in lies, conspiracies and idiocy...and you expect me not to laugh at your knee-jerk ignorance?


Not fvcking hardly, from something so funny...and perfect!



Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Originally Posted by MDLNB

You live in LaLa land. YOu are the biggest violator on here and you have the audacity to act like your only concern is a civil discussion. WHen have you EVER/EVER been civil .

Never mind, I just popped in to see if anything has changed. Obviously not. You bash the president and use a different heading for the thread, but the same exact B.S.

You have finally seen the light and now you're leaving? But just like Tal is too weak to not peek, you're not going anywhere.

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