My dad told me he didn't know he was poor during the depression. He said everyone was poor. If he had a TV or the internet back then he would know he was poor. His hobby was pigeons. Eventually he got around to golf.

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You had me until you got to the line with Roosevelt in it. I've got no use for a socialist. But, otherwise I concur.

You like the program but not the man who thought of it and got it passed.

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Dude, it was the last seven years of liberal control that hurt the middle class. Look at the statistics. Don't be so resistant to learning something new. It's the 21st century. Things have changed since you were out comatose, Van Winkle. Take a chill pill, and open a book or use the Google. It's pretty easy, really.

If you are so hot on Socialism, try reading about how it's hosing up Europe. Here, I'll make it easy for you, Google "Greece." Come back after you do that and I will give you some more homework.

Try 35 years of trickle down and cuts fir the rich. Get your facts straight.

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I wonder how many folks would remain on welfare if you made a stipulation that in order to collect their welfare, they must put in so many hours working on the wall or infrastructure? Why not make them do SOMETHING for the gov freebie? I bet we would literally do away with poverty level citizens.

That's slavery. Why do you think half the blacks are on welfare? Nobodies gonna MAKE them do ****!

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That's slavery. Why do you think half the blacks are on welfare? Nobodies gonna MAKE them do ****!

My grandmother use to tie onions on the bottom of my feet when I got a high fever. My mom went along with it because it was harmless.

My point is that not all old people make sense but because of Trump just being Trump anything stupid that jumps in their head does not need to be filtered anymore. The philosophy that to be PC is to be in opposition to the first amendment.

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You like the program but not the man who thought of it and got it passed.

I like my Medicare and Social Security...Thanks to Roosevelt.

They allow the Middle Class to retire safely.

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That's slavery. Why do you think half the blacks are on welfare? Nobodies gonna MAKE them do ****!

Guess which state collect the most Welfare?

It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal ‘Welfare’ from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.

Lazy ass whites collect welfare to!!!

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Guess which state collect the most Welfare?

It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal ‘Welfare’ from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.

Lazy ass whites collect welfare to!!!

They sure do, but percentage wise, blacks are the clear winners. You know that, so stop being dishonest.

Half the blacks are on welfare in BOTH red and blue states. What's your point? Percentage wise the black population is higher in red states. What's your point? The higher the percentage of blacks in a state the higher the need for federal help to pay for them? I agree.

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I like my Medicare and Social Security...Thanks to Roosevelt.

They allow the Middle Class to retire safely.

I am glad you are "safe." Although, I guess some have given up their pride to allow the gov to control their retirement like that. Doesn't say much for good old American self-reliance. I have never used my Medicare, since I have private insurance. For me, it was a waste of payroll taxes for the past 45 years. Social Security was OK in the last century, but now is so outdated it's now a Ponzi scheme. If it had been invested properly like for instance the Thrift Savings Plan, I would be living in a much better standard of living. Unfortunately, our SS fund was borrowed from by congress to pay bills and all we have now is IOU's with low interest returns. And by the way, you enjoy your SS now because if someone doesn't do something about it soon, they will have to cut the payments down to management levels. And they can, too. And forget about our children getting any benefit from SS. It won't be there unless congress does something about it. The numbers are just not there. Not when you have 50% of the population out of the workforce.

So, live in your Obama Utopia and maybe vote for Sander's socialism, because the days of the great middle class is behind us....thanks to a greedy over spending congress that has hosed up the economy and makes it even worst by passing the monster Obamacare that will bankrupt and finish off our country. Can't blame Obamacare on the Republicans.

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So, live in your Obama Utopia and maybe vote for Sander's socialism, because the days of the great middle class is behind us....thanks to a greedy over spending congress that has hosed up the economy and makes it even worst by passing the monster Obamacare that will bankrupt and finish off our country. Can't blame Obamacare on the Republicans.

It's the big corporations that run/control everything, that's where the blame should go. THEY put their guys in government to do their bidding.

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It's the big corporations that run/control everything, that's where the blame should go. THEY put their guys in government to do their bidding.

I have no problem with big corporations, or the wealthy. As a matter of fact, I hope the rich get richer, because that causes the rest of us to live a better lifestyle providing them with their luxuries. They also invest in the market, which means more profit and that builds everyone's retirement. You can't have it both ways. You can't penalize the wealthy and corporations and still have a decent retirement. The government does not provide your retirement, big business does. Big banks do. Investments provide the profit that makes your retirement, not the government. AND, the wealthy pay most of the taxes, so that 50% do not have to pay income taxes. Keep discriminating against the wealthy and see if you don't end up paying your fair share of taxes when the rich leave the country after closing their businesses or taking them overseas. Then you can all live a life of Sanders, with threadbare suits and poverty, subsidized lifestyle. Of course, the Sanders of socialism are the elite and will live better than the minions/peons.

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I have no problem with big corporations, or the wealthy. As a matter of fact, I hope the rich get richer, because that causes the rest of us to live a better lifestyle providing them with their luxuries. They also invest in the market, which means more profit and that builds everyone's retirement. You can't have it both ways. You can't penalize the wealthy and corporations and still have a decent retirement. The government does not provide your retirement, big business does. Big banks do. Investments provide the profit that makes your retirement, not the government. AND, the wealthy pay most of the taxes, so that 50% do not have to pay income taxes. Keep discriminating against the wealthy and see if you don't end up paying your fair share of taxes when the rich leave the country after closing their businesses or taking them overseas. Then you can all live a life of Sanders, with threadbare suits and poverty, subsidized lifestyle. Of course, the Sanders of socialism are the elite and will live better than the minions/peons.

Everything you said is wrong.

Me working so someone else can get more is good for me? If there are 10 people with $100 and one takes most of our money, how is that better for the rest of us? That's what the rich ARE doing, collecting more and more that SHOULD be more spread out. How does a "rich guy" getting more and more help MY retirement?

I provided my retirement, not government or big business. I saved, I made investments. They skimmed from me. Government took a cut of my profits. Corporations put those tax laws in place through control of politicians and regulators. Do you think it's an accident that most major corporations pay very little tax? Yes, the customers ultimately pay ALL the taxes, but why charge them more when you don't have to?

Don't even get me started on banks. I'll bet you know NOTHING of fractional reserve banking, fiat currencies, the derivatives market, etc. They "create money" out of thin air and "lend it to people at interest". Quite the racket. And they're SO greedy, they make highly leveraged, irrational bets, to try to make even more. Banking is a Ponzi. Your retirement is based on a Ponzi system. I'm praying it lasts another 30 years. Negative interest rates sweeping the globe does not bode well.

The wealthy do whatever they can to avoid taxes. The middle class bears the tax burden, not in raw numbers but in their % of income lost. They ALREADY left and MOVED their businesses...to China and other 3rd world countries where there are not taxes or workers rights. Unions made American workers unprofitable.

I don't want the poor stealing from me via socialism. I don't want the rich stealing from me via government.

The corporations own the government, they make laws and regulations favorable to themselves. It's gone too far and they need to be reigned in.

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Everything you said is wrong.

Me working so someone else can get more is good for me? If there are 10 people with $100 and one takes most of our money, how is that better for the rest of us? That's what the rich ARE doing, collecting more and more that SHOULD be more spread out. How does a "rich guy" getting more and more help MY retirement?

I provided my retirement, not government or big business. I saved, I made investments. They skimmed from me. Government took a cut of my profits. Corporations put those tax laws in place through control of politicians and regulators. Do you think it's an accident that most major corporations pay very little tax? Yes, the customers ultimately pay ALL the taxes, but why charge them more when you don't have to?

Don't even get me started on banks. I'll bet you know NOTHING of fractional reserve banking, fiat currencies, the derivatives market, etc. They "create money" out of thin air and "lend it to people at interest". Quite the racket. And they're SO greedy, they make highly leveraged, irrational bets, to try to make even more. Banking is a Ponzi. Your retirement is based on a Ponzi system. I'm praying it lasts another 30 years. Negative interest rates sweeping the globe does not bode well.

The wealthy do whatever they can to avoid taxes. The middle class bears the tax burden, not in raw numbers but in their % of income lost. They ALREADY left and MOVED their businesses...to China and other 3rd world countries where there are not taxes or workers rights. Unions made American workers unprofitable.

I don't want the poor stealing from me via socialism. I don't want the rich stealing from me via government.

The corporations own the government, they make laws and regulations favorable to themselves. It's gone too far and they need to be reigned in.

You proved me right. You don't know what you are talking about in regards to your retirement. You invested and made money for retirement. What did you invest in? Big business or banks? They made money using your money and they gave it back out of their profit, with interest.
It is their right to pay as little taxes as possible. Where do you get off expecting someone else to pay more taxes than the law stipulates. Even the Supreme Court said that you should not pay more taxes than the law requires.
The rich does not "steal" from you. You are an idiot that listens to socialist propaganda.
Corporations pay very little taxes? You are kidding right? You do realize that lower oil prices are hitting tax revenues really bad right now, right? States are getting hard because of their lack of tax revenues from the oil industry. The oil industry pays billions of dollars in tax revenues.

The top 20% of earners pay almost 85% of income tax revenues.
About 30% of tax filers get money back that they never contributed, due to EITC.
So, over 50% do not pay income federal income taxes.
And I do not blame any particular party. Although, Bush is responsible for the Earned Income Credit and tax breaks, and has been the cause of more Obama voters.

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You proved me right. You don't know what you are talking about in regards to your retirement. You invested and made money for retirement. What did you invest in? Big business or banks? They made money using your money and they gave it back out of their profit, with interest.
It is their right to pay as little taxes as possible. Where do you get off expecting someone else to pay more taxes than the law stipulates. Even the Supreme Court said that you should not pay more taxes than the law requires.
The rich does not "steal" from you. You are an idiot that listens to socialist propaganda.
Corporations pay very little taxes? You are kidding right? You do realize that lower oil prices are hitting tax revenues really bad right now, right? States are getting hard because of their lack of tax revenues from the oil industry. The oil industry pays billions of dollars in tax revenues.

The top 20% of earners pay almost 85% of income tax revenues.
About 30% of tax filers get money back that they never contributed, due to EITC.
So, over 50% do not pay income federal income taxes.
And I do not blame any particular party. Although, Bush is responsible for the Earned Income Credit and tax breaks, and has been the cause of more Obama voters.

OK Mr ignorant...

Real estate and saving is where my retirement came from. The ONLY input from corporations/banks was the bank "made up money to lend me"...and then charged me interest.

The corporations own the government which sets the tax rates/laws. It is done in their favor. They also pass laws that takes MORE than our fair share. If you added up ALL the taxes you pay, you'd be astounded, probably half of everything you spend is tax. For a steak at a restaurant...taxes paid by the farmer on his land/equipment, a tax on the steer, tax on the food, medicines the steer took/ate, tax on the grain he ate, tax on the diesel for the tractors, taxes paid on the tractor, taxes paid to the shipper, the fuel used, taxes paid by the slaughter house, taxes paid to the wholesaler, taxes paid to the restaurant, the cook, waitress...get it?

Taxes skim from you to someone connected with government.

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OK Mr ignorant...

Real estate and saving is where my retirement came from. The ONLY input from corporations/banks was the bank "made up money to lend me"...and then charged me interest.

The corporations own the government which sets the tax rates/laws. It is done in their favor. They also pass laws that takes MORE than our fair share. If you added up ALL the taxes you pay, you'd be astounded, probably half of everything you spend is tax. For a steak at a restaurant...taxes paid by the farmer on his land/equipment, a tax on the steer, tax on the food, medicines the steer took/ate, tax on the grain he ate, tax on the diesel for the tractors, taxes paid on the tractor, taxes paid to the shipper, the fuel used, taxes paid by the slaughter house, taxes paid to the wholesaler, taxes paid to the restaurant, the cook, waitress...get it?

Taxes skim from you to someone connected with government.

So, the problem is not that the rich make too much, but rather that the government taxes and spends too much.