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Old 06-17-2015, 08:07 AM
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Ok, I have to admit I've changed my mind about Trump ...

Prior to his formally entering the race, I thought he was non-serious, a clown, irritating and everything else that the media has charged him with


BUT ... when I listened to him I had to admit a LOT of what he said makes sense, and no one else is saying it.

The Great Wall of Mexico ... exactly what needs to happen. We are beyond stupid to allow open borders. And, I don't care who pays for it. But, as least he has the cojones to take this position.

Another item I liked was when he said we don't do victories anymore. Wow, exactly right.

I also liked it when he said he would find the Patton or MacArthur in the US military and put him in charge of it. Exactly right!

Trump is an egomaniac and all that but he is a leader and will absolutely kick butt and shake things up in DC. He would start by firing a lot of the incompetents in the Executive Branch ... eg the lady who heads OPM and just lost all the personal date to a Chinese hack.

I'm actually thinking about switching my support from Rubio to Trump ...
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:09 AM
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Donald is playing the good GOP foot soldier. His role is get out there and be completely outrageous, totally off the wall, extemporaneous. He is a caricature of himself. He is a combed over Pat Paulsen. When he speaks, full of what Scalia would call argle bargle, it functions to make the words of the other GOP candidates seem not bizarre or even somewhere near normal. That is his role and he will play it for all it is worth.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:34 AM
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Donald is playing the good GOP foot soldier. His role is get out there and be completely outrageous, totally off the wall, extemporaneous. He is a caricature of himself. He is a combed over Pat Paulsen. When he speaks, full of what Scalia would call argle bargle, it functions to make the words of the other GOP candidates seem not bizarre or even somewhere near normal. That is his role and he will play it for all it is worth.
Interesting quote I heard this morning......

"Donald Trump is saying all those things we keep yelling at our tv sets as we watch the news"

Thus, he will have a following and will not allow anyone to get comfortable.
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Old 06-17-2015, 08:44 AM
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This is what I like about Trump. He like Carly Fiorina are correct in stating that professional politicians are not a good thing for this country. we elect a president for only 8 years for a reason and those limits should apply to the 535 congressional members. It will for one limit the influence lobbyist and unions have on elected representatives.

Secondly I agree with the Democratic (New Yorker) poster observations (above).

Third, I am not 100% sure Trump cares, other than ego, to be president. However I am convinced that he believes and ants to change the political conversation in this campaign. I believe he does so because 1) he is a patriot
2) its good business 3) he dislikes the manner in which the government is dealing in foreign policy.

Fourth, Never ay never in politics. I lived in Minnesota when the Democrats (DFLers) and Republican laughed when Jesse Ventura ran Independent for governor but they didn't laugh long. and for the next four years that probably was the only time the DFLers and Republicans came together.
And need I remind posters about the last two elections because by every measure Obama was not qualified nor electable. What got him elected was he was the first president of color. Can the first woman president carry it off also? I hope so but I also hope it is a most qualified first woman because we need a class act or we are going to continue this diminutive decline. Hillary is not that qualified candidate

Personal Best Regards:
This is a great post and I totally agree with it. It's time that we look outside the box. You know how a cardboard box kind of wilts and disintegrates over time? Well, that's where we are at in this country with no one in Washington working together or acting as the servants of the people that they were elected to represent. The box is disintegrating and it's time for a change. Sometimes, make that often times, it must come from the top down. We need a real leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions and isn't worried about winning a popularity contest in Washington. Unfortunately, our federal government has become more like a business than not. I don't think it should be that way, but that is the reality. Having said that, who better to be in charge than someone with that type of experience? Often successful business people know how to pick the right people (vice president, cabinet, etc, in this case) to work for and with them to move forward. But most important would be to elect someone with these qualities who truly loves this country. I am not personally feeling great about any of the usual political candidates (both Republican and Democrat) that have announced thus far. But I have to admit to some intrigue and excitement at the mention of people like Fiorina or Trump. I agree with others that say it is too early to say never, and will try to keep an open mind as I continue to watch and listen to ALL the candidates before honing in on one as my potential pick.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:31 AM
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This is a great post and I totally agree with it. It's time that we look outside the box. You know how a cardboard box kind of wilts and disintegrates over time? Well, that's where we are at in this country with no one in Washington working together or acting as the servants of the people that they were elected to represent. The box is disintegrating and it's time for a change. Sometimes, make that often times, it must come from the top down. We need a real leader who is not afraid to make the tough decisions and isn't worried about winning a popularity contest in Washington. Unfortunately, our federal government has become more like a business than not. I don't think it should be that way, but that is the reality. Having said that, who better to be in charge than someone with that type of experience? Often successful business people know how to pick the right people (vice president, cabinet, etc, in this case) to work for and with them to move forward. But most important would be to elect someone with these qualities who truly loves this country. I am not personally feeling great about any of the usual political candidates (both Republican and Democrat) that have announced thus far. But I have to admit to some intrigue and excitement at the mention of people like Fiorina or Trump. I agree with others that say it is too early to say never, and will try to keep an open mind as I continue to watch and listen to ALL the candidates before honing in on one as my potential pick.
I feel pretty much the way you do. Given that the country is rapidly falling apart, and the foreign threats are getting more serious, I'm willing to give a Trump or Fiorina a try. The political class is largely talk and hot air, vs actually knocking heads together to get something done.

For example, Trump could fire about 10% of the senior executives in the Fed. Gov't to get everyone's attention. That's never been done but I think we need to consider something radical.

The ONLY criterion should be ... did you accomplish your mission? No excuses and no extra points for good intentions. If no results, you're gone. Change the civil service laws if need be or, like Obama, just write an Exec Order and fight it out in the courts.
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Old 06-17-2015, 12:35 PM
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Why waste time talking about Trump doing anything as President? There is a 99.999 percent chance he will NOT get the nomination. Heck, make that 100 percent!

Concentrate on electable candidates. It will be an uphill battle for the best of the Republicans to win over Mrs. Clinton.
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Why waste time talking about Trump doing anything as President? There is a 99.999 percent chance he will NOT get the nomination. Heck, make that 100 percent!

Concentrate on electable candidates. It will be an uphill battle for the best of the Republicans to win over Mrs. Clinton.
I understand why you sat that, however depending on who is the Republican candidate, it could be rough for her.

She is rich...something the Democrats have railed on in the past.

She is not liked nor trusted...something the democrats like to lay at the feet of the republicans.

She is "not young".....something the democrats said in negative terms in 2012.

She was Secy of state, and there is not one person who would say our foreign policy is working. We are entering another Cold War; the ME is a shambles and getting worse; her "success story" as she called it in Yemen has fallen apartment; It appears that we are trying to give it away with Iran; she avoids discussing the trade deal; China is setting military steps in areas that we said no to in the past; nuclear arms are not an issue when they were not. I might add that the deal with Syria to stop using gas has collapsed and they are back at it.

All in all, along with other past baggage, I do not see her as a sure thing in anyway.
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Old 06-17-2015, 12:59 PM
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If you want, we could add to Ms. Clinton' resume the debacle in Africa, DIRECTLY steered by Ms. Clinton. Libya, the ISIS growth, etc.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:44 PM
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Off topic and smart alec post but what else to expect?



Anyhow, the authority of Executive Order is legal but there are limits. The President cannot fire his opponents in Congress, he cannot build the Great Wall of Mexico and have the Mexicans pay for it, and he cannot do trade deals without Congressional approval.

Sorry but I disagree. It is on target. It's the way things are being done and they are hardly all legal. You might think it is a smart Alec response but I don't hide behind Guest. What else to expect?
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:42 PM
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Sorry but I disagree. It is on target. It's the way things are being done and they are hardly all legal. You might think it is a smart Alec response but I don't hide behind Guest. What else to expect?
Sorry, pal, but you are wrong. Certain things can be done by Executive Order but most are reserved for Congress to approve or disapprove.

Don't believe everything that is posted on the wrongdoings of the President nor what is on conservative radio or television or newsblogs. Neither should you believe everything positive about the President that is on liberal television, radio, or blogs.

Pres. Obama is not the devil who is out to destroy America nor is he the be-all of the American way of life. He has helped some people, some have not fared as well.

In my not so humble opinion, Pres. Obama will be put in the upper 1/4 of American presidents. He will be set higher than GW Bush but not as high as Bill Clinton.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:52 PM
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Why waste time talking about Trump doing anything as President? There is a 99.999 percent chance he will NOT get the nomination. Heck, make that 100 percent!

Concentrate on electable candidates. It will be an uphill battle for the best of the Republicans to win over Mrs. Clinton.
Yes it is going to be hard for Trump to get past these socialist! They own the papers and the news just like in Hitlers day!
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:01 PM
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Why waste time talking about Trump doing anything as President? There is a 99.999 percent chance he will NOT get the nomination. Heck, make that 100 percent!

Concentrate on electable candidates. It will be an uphill battle for the best of the Republicans to win over Mrs. Clinton.
Dear Guest: Again politics creates strange bedfellows. Never say never in a political campaign. Do a little research and you will find some of the strangest people have successfully been elected to office including a few presidents.

Beside which Trump has the bragging rights of not only talking the talk but has has walked the walked. On a personal note have you noticed how well behaved, well respected and successful his children are. have you notice how well he handled two divorces tactfully, gracefully and with no noticeable scorn by past wives. It takes planning to manage your personal life

His biggest asset is he doesn't owe anyone anything . further while that New York New Jersey in your face persona may not play well in Idaho I have a suspicion that people in Idaho are probably telling themselves well at least he is up front honest and transparent and best of all he follows through I what he says he will do.

Personal Best Regards:
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:06 PM
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Sorry, pal, but you are wrong. Certain things can be done by Executive Order but most are reserved for Congress to approve or disapprove.



Don't believe everything that is posted on the wrongdoings of the President nor what is on conservative radio or television or newsblogs. Neither should you believe everything positive about the President that is on liberal television, radio, or blogs.



Pres. Obama is not the devil who is out to destroy America nor is he the be-all of the American way of life. He has helped some people, some have not fared as well.



In my not so humble opinion, Pres. Obama will be put in the upper 1/4 of American presidents. He will be set higher than GW Bush but not as high as Bill Clinton.

Ok. Whatever you say, Sandy.
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:33 PM
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I must say it is something more tha amusing, no actually it is downright hilarious when a democrat advises we not waste time on a candidate that is electable......then have the stones to purport their candidate, Clinton, is the hands down winner anyway!?!

I would have thought the advice be applied to their musings as well.

A big difference for right now at least, some democrats do not care if their candidate is electable........as long as it is a democrat......nothing else matters.

We'll see what happens when Clinton comes out and is truly available for Q&A......instead of managed.....no questions allowed venues.
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Ok, I have to admit I've changed my mind about Trump ...

Prior to his formally entering the race, I thought he was non-serious, a clown, irritating and everything else that the media has charged him with


BUT ... when I listened to him I had to admit a LOT of what he said makes sense, and no one else is saying it.

The Great Wall of Mexico ... exactly what needs to happen. We are beyond stupid to allow open borders. And, I don't care who pays for it. But, as least he has the cojones to take this position.

Another item I liked was when he said we don't do victories anymore. Wow, exactly right.

I also liked it when he said he would find the Patton or MacArthur in the US military and put him in charge of it. Exactly right!

Trump is an egomaniac and all that but he is a leader and will absolutely kick butt and shake things up in DC. He would start by firing a lot of the incompetents in the Executive Branch ... eg the lady who heads OPM and just lost all the personal date to a Chinese hack.

I'm actually thinking about switching my support from Rubio to Trump ...
You should trust your previous instinct ..... he is a full on clown.

Plus, I am pretty sure it is in the Constitution that the USofA can not have a President that wears a furry rodent for a hair piece.
 

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