I have absolutely no idea what this OP is about.

It makes no sense whatsoever and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with Gracie's post.

Originally Posted by Rockface

Thanks to you for your civility. Refreshing on here where one liners or general condemnation of anyone who does not bow to Trump is the norm.

And let's not forget your less than civil interactions with Rubi and Gracie on here...

Just can't get over the fact you voted for someone that was not even running for president and then go and call yourself a political expert...




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Originally Posted by Guest

I think the single most important thing in your reply was your recognition of an attempt to be civil. I have become much more aggressive recently because so many feel a smart as response like an "endearing" nickname, changing GUEST to a demeaning name or totally avoiding real issues has hardened me.

In any case, we will have to "agree to disagree" on your comments relative to Obama and Clinton. While there may have been untruths from both on some topics, they are not in office. I objected very strongly to most of Obama policies but in time of emergency, or crisis, I believed him, and he was never shown to lie. I do not have that feel at all with our current President. If the truth will, in any way, show HIM PERSONALLY in anything but a positive light, he will shun the truth. He has DONE THAT ALREADY.

But, "agreeing to disagree" on Clinton or Obama is not a big deal as they are not in office at all and not relevant, except...

I suspect so many votes were cast as anti Clinton or anti Obama instead of FOR anything, and I understand that. Of course, my objection was the primary.

But, water over the damn....none should allow our current President to lie to us...not address policy (something I hope congress will pressure), use a news network as a source for foreign policy, PUBLICLY demean (and I will miss some) England, the Queen, head of state of Germany, his own intelligence community, and that is partial in addition to accusing PUBLICLY the ex President, and many others of feloni, and that list is partial. All while praising Russia and now Turkey, two countries that has substantial Trump business ties. Ther is PART of my problems.

I agree with you on health care, and hope he stops threatening Americans he will pull the rug, get smart, be a man and talk to democrats, NOT ABOUT ANYTHING BUT HEALTH CARE COSTS FOR ALL ANERICANS, no cute names like Obama care, just go to work and find a way. I agree with many things he has said. I just reviewed his entire life, and find it so troublesome to believe.

Thanks to you for your civility. Refreshing on here where one liners or general condemnation of anyone who does not bow to Trump is the norm.

I realize that neither Clinton nor Obama are not in office. I am not too sure that Obama does. However, I can only hope that you had the same distain for them and their blatant lies when they were in office, President and State Dept., that you have for our current President. Then outgoing President Obama lied, yes lied, on national television when he promised to make the transition to the new administration as seamless as possible. Everything I have seen since then and since the inauguration has been anything but.

As far as talking with the Democrats about healthcare or anything else, there is a committee doing that at his direction. Unfortunately, those in his on party and on that committee are interested in sneaking in stuff that has no business being in there and has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. No wonder it failed. That and the fact that the Democrats have not been willing to even meet with them, much less be an integral part of any plan. He wanted to keep parts of the ACA, namely pre-existing conditions and children up to 26 being covered on their parents coverage. He also wanted to have insurance available across state lines. They could do neither. I don't think he or anyone else has said anything about pulling the rug out from under anyone. He has said Obamacare (ACA) is imploding and it is.

I have said this before and I will say it again. It totally amazes me that people from the US, Russia, Italy, and I don't remember what other countries can get along in the confines of the ISS and work together for the common good and goal for months on end. Why in the hell can Congress, both houses, and both sides of the aisle not do the same? They get breaks, way too many at that, and those astronauts are jammed together day in and day out, 24/7 and don't sit on their pitypots whining. Washington is nothing but a boatload of entitled selfish, self-serving brats. Maybe President Trump needs to tell these babies to get along, get something done for our COUNTRY, or go home and stay there.

Back to the lying: You say that President Trump always lies, yet in one statement you say that during the campaign he stated that he could well have some conflicts of interest with his overseas businesses. He wasn't lying then, was he? As for him talking with Putin BEFORE he was elected, he freely admitted that but also said that he had never met the man. You can talk to people without having anything nefarious in mind. That's how you figure out what others are about....communication. Remember it was Obama (yeah, I know, here I go again) that told Putin, when he didn't realize that it was being picked up on a live mike, that he would be "free" to do more after he got reelected. To my knowledge, nothing like that has come out with President Trump.

I don't have all the answers, nor do I pretend to. I do know that the man has a very strong work ethic and has instilled the same in his children. Yes, he got his start from his dad but did not sit back on his laurels with his hand out expecting his dad to keep it filled. He learned to work and work hard instead of living the privileged play-boy life. He made more than his share of mistakes with many willing participants simply because he did have money. If he mistreats women so badly, why do his employees, both male and female like working for him?

He's been slammed for his bankruptcies. Those were business, not personal. That is no different than the big auto makers, retailers, etc. doing the same thing. As he said, it is allowable by law and if it is that big a deal, then work to change the laws. It is the same with his taxes. Until everyone complaining about how much he has ever paid in taxes quits taking ANY deductions, itemized or not, then they need to just shut up. He has done business all over the world and if some of that business was conducted with Russia, then so be it. At least, he hasn't sent them millions or billions to build up their so-called non-existent nuclear program like with Iran.

Would love to continue this right now, but there is more to our life than me being on the computer. To be continued?

Well, at least you whiners have finished disparaging Gracie. That is a plus. Now, it appears that you are going to paste the same rhetoric and links to supposition on every thread. Most original.

Originally Posted by Guest

And let's not forget your less than civil interactions with Rubi and Gracie on here...

Just can't get over the fact you voted for someone that was not even running for president and then go and call yourself a political expert...




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Funny, I have never in my life been "civil" to anyone who lied, presented knowingly false information, directed hate toward anyone who did not share their Political views, AND while doing that presented a very false "holier than thou" attitude.

I have conversations with people who disagree with me all the time, but they don't TALK character and morality, but actually support it by actions and who value TRUTH over everything.

Originally Posted by Rockface

Funny, I have never in my life been "civil" to anyone who lied, presented knowingly false information, directed hate toward anyone who did not share their Political views, AND while doing that presented a very false "holier than thou" attitude.

I have conversations with people who disagree with me all the time, but they don't TALK character and morality, but actually support it by actions and who value TRUTH over everything.

I believe you just described yourself to the "T" in that first paragraph.

I assume your wife does not have the same standards...because if she did, according to your post, she would never be "civil" towards you!



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