Originally Posted by Rockface

I changed my user name TWICE. STICK WITH ME, and I will respond to your every word. I changed it from Bucco to Rags123 at the suggestion of administration, because I began to get unsettling PMs fron liberals about my active anti liberal posts, my stringent stand on Obama, and very much my negative posts on Obamacare.

If you search Bucco posts, blah, blah, blah...


I read and talk politics basically 24/7. It was my job and always my passion for over 50 years...I did not vote for Clinton, and if you actually look up my past posts, I was never a fan of hers in anyway. I voted for McCollum.

Wow, that was a long post! I just could not believe there was not any bolded paragraphs...

Your Bucco stories are just as numbing as the wackadoodle's project 234 678 or his librarian crap. You should have grown a pair of balls and kept the Bucco name if it meant so much to you!?

Have you ever tried to search in the political forum? How do you think the suggestion to search for Bucco political posts is going to go??

News flash for you Mr. 50 years of political arena experience = McCollum was not a candidate in the 2016 presidential election !

Obviously you wasted your vote there Mr Political Expert!!

LMFAO!!!

Originally Posted by Guest

Buttercup, hey....never called that.

First, please search the users and look at posts from Bucco. That is me, and you will find Graciegirl enjoys calling me that on here, but certainly not out of respect.

I changed my user name TWICE. STICK WITH ME, and I will respond to your every word. I changed it from Bucco to Rags123 at the suggestion of administration, because I began to get unsettling PMs fron liberals about my active anti liberal posts, my stringent stand on Obama, and very much my negative posts on Obamacare. I was an original member of the political forum, I believe in 2007, and actually spoke with the previous owner to set it up.

If you search Bucco posts, you will be assured I am no liberal at all. I was a strong long time Republican, active in my party for years up north. Be patient, Gracie posted today I am wordy...I am but sort of sick of the false phoney things said.

I will get back to that story in a bit, but to your questions. I was absolutely stunned at Trump getting the nomination. Quickly, although most readers on here know I can bring you very specific details, I think Trump is not the most dispicable President we have ever had in terms of character and morals, he ranks near the top of all human beings. As a result I changed my registration from Republican to Independent because the party USED TO STAND FOR VALUES AND MORALS.

I read and talk politics basically 24/7. It was my job and always my passion for over 50 years. I am an insatiable reader, and noticed on this forum, it was taken over by the alt right, although they say that is not the case, I can certainly point out the EXTREME HARD RIGHT opinions and the unwavering love and loyalty for Trump.

Nothing wrong with having an idol, but I assure you, he has perpetrated a scam to get elected. This event will secure him more riches which is all he is concerned with along with his amazing ego. He is an extremely dishonest man and I hacpvevsaud this many times. I understand his followers frustration, but just in the last month you see him turning his backs on them. This will continue...I feel sorry for those that hold Trump in such high esteem, because is a pathological liar and deserves no respect whatsoever.

Ok...I did not vote for Clinton, and if you actually look up my past posts, I was never a fan of hers in anyway. I voted for McCollum.

My views are totally conservative, and I try to make that clear when I can, but Trump is a deal breaker for me. This man is scum as a human being, and I think, to the embarrassment of our nation we will see that come to view.

So, the Democratic Party has fed me squat. You can tell me to "suck it up buttercup" which is pretty much indicative of those who adore Trump. He is king, never wrong and when you make a case against him, you get the old....oh yeah...Obama,,,Clinton crap.

I used to be a calm poster, never aggressive, wanting to learn. No more...the Trump followers actually believe the fake Russian websites...a number were used today to slam the left..just fake crap. A few days ago, I angered a poster because I told her Trump NEVER owned a dog. She was adamant how worried Trump was about this dog and either she or another fan supplied a link TO A FAKE SATIRE site. This is what has been posting here.

I have tried to discuss topics...to no avail. We have a beloved poster who almost daily does one thing only....find an angle to condemn very single progressive on the planet with zero facts...he has plagiarized a number of times, and has used phoneyvRusdian sites as sources, but is loved because he loves Trump.

I find great harm being done to our White House, the presidency, our reputation. (I am not interested in saber rattling, "mine is bigger than yours" with no policy). We are losing credibility and as long as this president continues to lie, get less transparent, be mean spirited and leading poor trusting voters down.

Probably lots of typing errors and such, and I sure have more to say, but...

Buttercup, you are dead wrong in every accusation you make, but I am so used to that on here as Trump supporters feel now entitled. Gracie, on a few occasions refers to her hero and what he is going to do for "us", not America, but "us" referring to his voting block on here.

Trust me...this man is a pig, but because I feel that way about the man, I now address each issue on its own merits and owe allegupiance to nobody. The fact that I dislike Trump does not mean I am precluded from supporting some things he might do, but watching him change so much is terribly difficult to discern...imagine how our allies feel.

If you are, as I suppose a lover of Trump, all I can say...you will be disappointed.

PS....my feeling is a political forum, something I have been engaging in for years, should be an exchange of ideas on issues and topics, exchange of related material that relates. You should learn and share.. The advent of fake news, and the embracing of that by the President makes it tough (along with using Fox News as a national security advisor)

I don't think President Trump thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of being elected, nor did anyone else when he threw his hat in the ring. It seemed that his plan was to expose what is wrong with this country and set someone about getting things corrected. He knew that if Hillary Clinton were to be elected, this country would only sink further. People were ready for a change because they were sick of seeing this country sold out and degraded. For the first time ever, when Obama was President, this country's credit rating ended up in the toilet.

Many have criticized President Trump for appointing businessmen to his Cabinet. Personally, I prefer having them there as opposed to the Muslim Cabinet of Obama. Think about this, it behooves business to do a good job for America. Why? Because if business does well, so do the rest of us. Think about it this way. If you have a personal financial planner, they only make more money if you make more money. Who in their right mind doesn't want to make more?

Does he, and has he made mistakes? Sure, he has and does. They all do. Frankly, his mouth is his greatest enemy much of the time. However, those who meet with him one on one say that he is sharp and totally unlike what he tweets or says on TV. As for his making mistakes or changing what he thought was the right call at the time, is the sign of a leader. Of course, he lays himself wide open for vicious attacks when he does. If he sticks with a plan, come hell or high water, and it blows up in his face, then those same ones will scream he was just too stubborn to change direction. He, frankly, is in a no-win situation. Any of you, ANY, who has done a perfect job from day one of your current or prior employment, please step up and take his place.

Now for the election, it was either elect him or settle for Hillary and further demise of all our freedoms. As for the electoral college, elections would only need to be held in California, New York, and a couple of other states. Small states might as well not bother to vote.

He may turn into a politician, but I sincerely hope not. He is not a polished speaker, but I feel that he truly loves this country. We had a polished speaker already. The military has a respect for him that they could not have for President Obama because he respects them. He takes the time to salute when he boards his plane or helicopter and when he disembarks. He does not have to be reminded nor are they half-assed salutes.

It is an absolute shame that Obama failed to be the President people expected him to be. He could have done so much. Unfortunately, he listened to no one. Like so many of our young people of today, he was sure he had all the answers. When he didn't, he simply refused to acknowledge the facts, and moved on or just chose to hit the ignore button. I can understand how he got elected the first time, just not the second. Neither McCain nor Romney would have been good, either. Once again, there wasn't much to choose from.

As for the other countries, I think they are just not sure what is going on, yet. I can only hope that they don't judge him/us on personality and like or dislike. It's just a welcome change to have a President that doesn't apologize for us or for being American.

He is exactly right on one other thing, too. Having to be Politically Correct is burying us. Why is it that the only person in this country that can be openly criticized is the President? Why is everyone supposed to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or making them feel ostracized or discriminated against? If someone getting his/her feelings hurt is the worst to ever happen to them, then they are way beyond lucky. The Constitution guarantees everyone the right to be treated equally, not specially. It also guarantees everyone the right to pursue happiness, but it does NOT guarantee everyone happiness.....only the PURSUIT of it.

No one has to agree with me. That is each person's right and I fully respect that. I only ask that they do the same by me.

By the way, I asked this of another poster, but never got an answer....only more of the racist, anti-Trump, name-calling of everyone rant instead. Can you, or maybe someone else, please tell me explicitly how Russia interfered in our election? All I have ever heard is that "Russia interfered in the election". Are we supposed to simply say, "OK", and move on? I really want to know.

Originally Posted by Guest

YOU got me....that is exactly my intent !!!!!

If only you could be astute when it comes to discussion or sharing in political, but hopefully when you get out of your teens and expand your reading scope, you can talk with the adults.

Why do you and your buddies hang out here ONLY to swap one line smart ass cracks ? Is that the cool thing to do in your neighborhood ?

Your total comprehension is to go after anyone who does not agree with you. That might get you in the gang you have, but it really comes across terribly immature, but hey....what can you do...you work with what you have.

Well Rocky, if you weren't so darn charming, maybe you wouldn't have that same charm reflected back at you. You remind me of your Obama, and how he blamed everyone else for his inept, lack of leadership. You come on here with your snide remarks and then get offended when someone reciprocates in kind. Of course, it is my fault, right?

Perhaps if you did not try so hard to convince others that you are really a conservative, all the while spending hours on here cutting down on the current administration and advocating lefty ideology, you would be more credible. But hey, different strokes for different whiners, right?

By the way, no one is forcing you to reply. You can always put me on your "ignore" list....

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't think President Trump thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of being elected, nor did anyone else when he threw his hat in the ring. It seemed that his plan was to expose what is wrong with this country and set someone about getting things corrected. He knew that if Hillary Clinton were to be elected, this country would only sink further. People were ready for a change because they were sick of seeing this country sold out and degraded. For the first time ever, when Obama was President, this country's credit rating ended up in the toilet.

Many have criticized President Trump for appointing businessmen to his Cabinet. Personally, I prefer having them there as opposed to the Muslim Cabinet of Obama. Think about this, it behooves business to do a good job for America. Why? Because if business does well, so do the rest of us. Think about it this way. If you have a personal financial planner, they only make more money if you make more money. Who in their right mind doesn't want to make more?

Does he, and has he made mistakes? Sure, he has and does. They all do. Frankly, his mouth is his greatest enemy much of the time. However, those who meet with him one on one say that he is sharp and totally unlike what he tweets or says on TV. As for his making mistakes or changing what he thought was the right call at the time, is the sign of a leader. Of course, he lays himself wide open for vicious attacks when he does. If he sticks with a plan, come hell or high water, and it blows up in his face, then those same ones will scream he was just too stubborn to change direction. He, frankly, is in a no-win situation. Any of you, ANY, who has done a perfect job from day one of your current or prior employment, please step up and take his place.

Now for the election, it was either elect him or settle for Hillary and further demise of all our freedoms. As for the electoral college, elections would only need to be held in California, New York, and a couple of other states. Small states might as well not bother to vote.

He may turn into a politician, but I sincerely hope not. He is not a polished speaker, but I feel that he truly loves this country. We had a polished speaker already. The military has a respect for him that they could not have for President Obama because he respects them. He takes the time to salute when he boards his plane or helicopter and when he disembarks. He does not have to be reminded nor are they half-assed salutes.

It is an absolute shame that Obama failed to be the President people expected him to be. He could have done so much. Unfortunately, he listened to no one. Like so many of our young people of today, he was sure he had all the answers. When he didn't, he simply refused to acknowledge the facts, and moved on or just chose to hit the ignore button. I can understand how he got elected the first time, just not the second. Neither McCain nor Romney would have been good, either. Once again, there wasn't much to choose from.

As for the other countries, I think they are just not sure what is going on, yet. I can only hope that they don't judge him/us on personality and like or dislike. It's just a welcome change to have a President that doesn't apologize for us or for being American.

He is exactly right on one other thing, too. Having to be Politically Correct is burying us. Why is it that the only person in this country that can be openly criticized is the President? Why is everyone supposed to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or making them feel ostracized or discriminated against? If someone getting his/her feelings hurt is the worst to ever happen to them, then they are way beyond lucky. The Constitution guarantees everyone the right to be treated equally, not specially. It also guarantees everyone the right to pursue happiness, but it does NOT guarantee everyone happiness.....only the PURSUIT of it.

No one has to agree with me. That is each person's right and I fully respect that. I only ask that they do the same by me.

By the way, I asked this of another poster, but never got an answer....only more of the racist, anti-Trump, name-calling of everyone rant instead. Can you, or maybe someone else, please tell me explicitly how Russia interfered in our election? All I have ever heard is that "Russia interfered in the election". Are we supposed to simply say, "OK", and move on? I really want to know.

Much of your post I can agree with or at least understand, since I tend to be long winded I will just say, I absolutely do not trust Donald Trump at all.

As far as Russia.....they hacked the DNC and hacked Podesta. Then used Wikileaks to systematically release information to serve as a detriment to the Clinton campaign. This has been validated through ou the world.

The did not interfere with voting, although they attempted.

The current investigation, based on information garnered by our 17 intelligence agencies in concert with other countries intelligence agencies is based on information gathered during the investigation of Russia interference.

It is investigating what collusion existed between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

Originally Posted by Rockface

As far as Russia.....they hacked the DNC and hacked Podesta. Then used Wikileaks to systematically release information to serve as a detriment to the Clinton campaign. This has been validated through ou the world.

The did not interfere with voting, although they attempted.

The current investigation, based on information garnered by our 17 intelligence agencies in concert with other countries intelligence agencies is based on information gathered during the investigation of Russia interference.

It is investigating what collusion existed between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

Well...Lets explore this post from the "50 years in the political arena" guy.

So, Russia hacked a private entity and private citizen's email...and we as a country paid for 17 intelligence agencies to investigate...do we put the same effort and expense toward any other private entities or private citizen being hacked?? Say the old lady down the street gets hacked from someone in Nigeria, do we commission 17 intelligence agencies to investigate?? The answer is NO. How can it be acceptable that Obamma spent that money on a partisan action??

After we spent all that money for 17 intelligence agencies to investigate a private citizen and a private entity hacking, it has been concluded that they did not interfere with voting. BUT WE CANT STOP THERE FOLKS...we need to make sure there was no collusion in a hacking that did not interfere with voting!!

I believe Rockface has made up his mind on the matter, as he did not include the words "might exist", he knows more than everyone else and has declared that collusion "existed" and it has to be proven!

Now bear in mind; this is a guy who voted for a person that was not even running for president...

Originally Posted by Guest

Much of your post I can agree with or at least understand, since I tend to be long winded I will just say, I absolutely do not trust Donald Trump at all.

As far as Russia.....they hacked the DNC and hacked Podesta. Then used Wikileaks to systematically release information to serve as a detriment to the Clinton campaign. This has been validated through ou the world.

The did not interfere with voting, although they attempted.

The current investigation, based on information garnered by our 17 intelligence agencies in concert with other countries intelligence agencies is based on information gathered during the investigation of Russia interference.

It is investigating what collusion existed between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

Simple answer is "NO COLLUSION." But, you would love to be vindicated for your flawed opinion.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't think President Trump thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of being elected, nor did anyone else when he threw his hat in the ring. It seemed that his plan was to expose what is wrong with this country and set someone about getting things corrected. He knew that if Hillary Clinton were to be elected, this country would only sink further. People were ready for a change because they were sick of seeing this country sold out and degraded. For the first time ever, when Obama was President, this country's credit rating ended up in the toilet.

Many have criticized President Trump for appointing businessmen to his Cabinet. Personally, I prefer having them there as opposed to the Muslim Cabinet of Obama. Think about this, it behooves business to do a good job for America. Why? Because if business does well, so do the rest of us. Think about it this way. If you have a personal financial planner, they only make more money if you make more money. Who in their right mind doesn't want to make more?

Does he, and has he made mistakes? Sure, he has and does. They all do. Frankly, his mouth is his greatest enemy much of the time. However, those who meet with him one on one say that he is sharp and totally unlike what he tweets or says on TV. As for his making mistakes or changing what he thought was the right call at the time, is the sign of a leader. Of course, he lays himself wide open for vicious attacks when he does. If he sticks with a plan, come hell or high water, and it blows up in his face, then those same ones will scream he was just too stubborn to change direction. He, frankly, is in a no-win situation. Any of you, ANY, who has done a perfect job from day one of your current or prior employment, please step up and take his place.

Now for the election, it was either elect him or settle for Hillary and further demise of all our freedoms. As for the electoral college, elections would only need to be held in California, New York, and a couple of other states. Small states might as well not bother to vote.

He may turn into a politician, but I sincerely hope not. He is not a polished speaker, but I feel that he truly loves this country. We had a polished speaker already. The military has a respect for him that they could not have for President Obama because he respects them. He takes the time to salute when he boards his plane or helicopter and when he disembarks. He does not have to be reminded nor are they half-assed salutes.

It is an absolute shame that Obama failed to be the President people expected him to be. He could have done so much. Unfortunately, he listened to no one. Like so many of our young people of today, he was sure he had all the answers. When he didn't, he simply refused to acknowledge the facts, and moved on or just chose to hit the ignore button. I can understand how he got elected the first time, just not the second. Neither McCain nor Romney would have been good, either. Once again, there wasn't much to choose from.

As for the other countries, I think they are just not sure what is going on, yet. I can only hope that they don't judge him/us on personality and like or dislike. It's just a welcome change to have a President that doesn't apologize for us or for being American.

He is exactly right on one other thing, too. Having to be Politically Correct is burying us. Why is it that the only person in this country that can be openly criticized is the President? Why is everyone supposed to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or making them feel ostracized or discriminated against? If someone getting his/her feelings hurt is the worst to ever happen to them, then they are way beyond lucky. The Constitution guarantees everyone the right to be treated equally, not specially. It also guarantees everyone the right to pursue happiness, but it does NOT guarantee everyone happiness.....only the PURSUIT of it.

No one has to agree with me. That is each person's right and I fully respect that. I only ask that they do the same by me.

By the way, I asked this of another poster, but never got an answer....only more of the racist, anti-Trump, name-calling of everyone rant instead. Can you, or maybe someone else, please tell me explicitly how Russia interfered in our election? All I have ever heard is that "Russia interfered in the election". Are we supposed to simply say, "OK", and move on? I really want to know.

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Originally Posted by Guest

I don't think President Trump thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of being elected, nor did anyone else when he threw his hat in the ring. It seemed that his plan was to expose what is wrong with this country and set someone about getting things corrected. He knew that if Hillary Clinton were to be elected, this country would only sink further. People were ready for a change because they were sick of seeing this country sold out and degraded. For the first time ever, when Obama was President, this country's credit rating ended up in the toilet.

Many have criticized President Trump for appointing businessmen to his Cabinet. Personally, I prefer having them there as opposed to the Muslim Cabinet of Obama. Think about this, it behooves business to do a good job for America. Why? Because if business does well, so do the rest of us. Think about it this way. If you have a personal financial planner, they only make more money if you make more money. Who in their right mind doesn't want to make more?

Does he, and has he made mistakes? Sure, he has and does. They all do. Frankly, his mouth is his greatest enemy much of the time. However, those who meet with him one on one say that he is sharp and totally unlike what he tweets or says on TV. As for his making mistakes or changing what he thought was the right call at the time, is the sign of a leader. Of course, he lays himself wide open for vicious attacks when he does. If he sticks with a plan, come hell or high water, and it blows up in his face, then those same ones will scream he was just too stubborn to change direction. He, frankly, is in a no-win situation. Any of you, ANY, who has done a perfect job from day one of your current or prior employment, please step up and take his place.

Now for the election, it was either elect him or settle for Hillary and further demise of all our freedoms. As for the electoral college, elections would only need to be held in California, New York, and a couple of other states. Small states might as well not bother to vote.

He may turn into a politician, but I sincerely hope not. He is not a polished speaker, but I feel that he truly loves this country. We had a polished speaker already. The military has a respect for him that they could not have for President Obama because he respects them. He takes the time to salute when he boards his plane or helicopter and when he disembarks. He does not have to be reminded nor are they half-assed salutes.

It is an absolute shame that Obama failed to be the President people expected him to be. He could have done so much. Unfortunately, he listened to no one. Like so many of our young people of today, he was sure he had all the answers. When he didn't, he simply refused to acknowledge the facts, and moved on or just chose to hit the ignore button. I can understand how he got elected the first time, just not the second. Neither McCain nor Romney would have been good, either. Once again, there wasn't much to choose from.

As for the other countries, I think they are just not sure what is going on, yet. I can only hope that they don't judge him/us on personality and like or dislike. It's just a welcome change to have a President that doesn't apologize for us or for being American.

He is exactly right on one other thing, too. Having to be Politically Correct is burying us. Why is it that the only person in this country that can be openly criticized is the President? Why is everyone supposed to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or making them feel ostracized or discriminated against? If someone getting his/her feelings hurt is the worst to ever happen to them, then they are way beyond lucky. The Constitution guarantees everyone the right to be treated equally, not specially. It also guarantees everyone the right to pursue happiness, but it does NOT guarantee everyone happiness.....only the PURSUIT of it.

No one has to agree with me. That is each person's right and I fully respect that. I only ask that they do the same by me.

By the way, I asked this of another poster, but never got an answer....only more of the racist, anti-Trump, name-calling of everyone rant instead. Can you, or maybe someone else, please tell me explicitly how Russia interfered in our election? All I have ever heard is that "Russia interfered in the election". Are we supposed to simply say, "OK", and move on? I really want to know.

I very much agree.

Originally Posted by Guest

Well...Lets explore this post from the "50 years in the political arena" guy.

So, Russia hacked a private entity and private citizen's email...and we as a country paid for 17 intelligence agencies to investigate...do we put the same effort and expense toward any other private entities or private citizen being hacked?? Say the old lady down the street gets hacked from someone in Nigeria, do we commission 17 intelligence agencies to investigate?? The answer is NO. How can it be acceptable that Obamma spent that money on a partisan action??

After we spent all that money for 17 intelligence agencies to investigate a private citizen and a private entity hacking, it has been concluded that they did not interfere with voting. BUT WE CANT STOP THERE FOLKS...we need to make sure there was no collusion in a hacking that did not interfere with voting!!

I believe Rockface has made up his mind on the matter, as he did not include the words "might exist", he knows more than everyone else and has declared that collusion "existed" and it has to be proven!

Now bear in mind; this is a guy who voted for a person that was not even running for president...

That pretty much covers it.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't think President Trump thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of being elected, nor did anyone else when he threw his hat in the ring. It seemed that his plan was to expose what is wrong with this country and set someone about getting things corrected. He knew that if Hillary Clinton were to be elected, this country would only sink further. People were ready for a change because they were sick of seeing this country sold out and degraded. For the first time ever, when Obama was President, this country's credit rating ended up in the toilet.

Many have criticized President Trump for appointing businessmen to his Cabinet. Personally, I prefer having them there as opposed to the Muslim Cabinet of Obama. Think about this, it behooves business to do a good job for America. Why? Because if business does well, so do the rest of us. Think about it this way. If you have a personal financial planner, they only make more money if you make more money. Who in their right mind doesn't want to make more?

Does he, and has he made mistakes? Sure, he has and does. They all do. Frankly, his mouth is his greatest enemy much of the time. However, those who meet with him one on one say that he is sharp and totally unlike what he tweets or says on TV. As for his making mistakes or changing what he thought was the right call at the time, is the sign of a leader. Of course, he lays himself wide open for vicious attacks when he does. If he sticks with a plan, come hell or high water, and it blows up in his face, then those same ones will scream he was just too stubborn to change direction. He, frankly, is in a no-win situation. Any of you, ANY, who has done a perfect job from day one of your current or prior employment, please step up and take his place.

Now for the election, it was either elect him or settle for Hillary and further demise of all our freedoms. As for the electoral college, elections would only need to be held in California, New York, and a couple of other states. Small states might as well not bother to vote.

He may turn into a politician, but I sincerely hope not. He is not a polished speaker, but I feel that he truly loves this country. We had a polished speaker already. The military has a respect for him that they could not have for President Obama because he respects them. He takes the time to salute when he boards his plane or helicopter and when he disembarks. He does not have to be reminded nor are they half-assed salutes.

It is an absolute shame that Obama failed to be the President people expected him to be. He could have done so much. Unfortunately, he listened to no one. Like so many of our young people of today, he was sure he had all the answers. When he didn't, he simply refused to acknowledge the facts, and moved on or just chose to hit the ignore button. I can understand how he got elected the first time, just not the second. Neither McCain nor Romney would have been good, either. Once again, there wasn't much to choose from.

As for the other countries, I think they are just not sure what is going on, yet. I can only hope that they don't judge him/us on personality and like or dislike. It's just a welcome change to have a President that doesn't apologize for us or for being American.

He is exactly right on one other thing, too. Having to be Politically Correct is burying us. Why is it that the only person in this country that can be openly criticized is the President? Why is everyone supposed to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting someone's feelings or making them feel ostracized or discriminated against? If someone getting his/her feelings hurt is the worst to ever happen to them, then they are way beyond lucky. The Constitution guarantees everyone the right to be treated equally, not specially. It also guarantees everyone the right to pursue happiness, but it does NOT guarantee everyone happiness.....only the PURSUIT of it.

No one has to agree with me. That is each person's right and I fully respect that. I only ask that they do the same by me.

By the way, I asked this of another poster, but never got an answer....only more of the racist, anti-Trump, name-calling of everyone rant instead. Can you, or maybe someone else, please tell me explicitly how Russia interfered in our election? All I have ever heard is that "Russia interfered in the election". Are we supposed to simply say, "OK", and move on? I really want to know.

I responded earlier to your question on the Russian involvement in our election, and made a general statement on Trump.

I said I understood your remarks and in some cases I agree.

THAT does not excuse LYING. Lying is not something you do by accident...it is ALWAYS premeditated. And he does it always. Using a network as a source for national security has nothing to do with anything except he is playing his game for HIS own use. He is an egoist of the nth degree and always, his entire life has been so. I am not happy with his total disregard for ethics in the White House, his business relationsships etc.

If you read about Turkey, which I agree is a bit complicated, but alas his twin towers in Turkey are always at the top of his list.

He is a very very mean spirited man. He had no reason to insult the queen of England or Merkle from Germany...NO REASON AT ALL. He represents us all when he does that.

None of that has to do with political correctness...it has to do with a lack of any moral compass at all.

On the other hand, what gives me some hope is the slight movement to move Bannon out, his connnection to the extreme right. I have no problem with his cabinet but I really find fault with his hypocrisy on lobbyists. Another attempt to hide is how I see it.

I realize I am anti Trump....I admit it and feel I am on solid ground and nobody yet has given me reason on here to not feel the way I do....all I get is about Clinton or Obama.....the problem as I see it goes back to the primary and his support. I left the party at that point, because I sure hope someone does some homework on this President. In his 70 years he has done NOT ONE SINGLE THING FOR THIS COUNTRY, and I see no valid reason to mention him as a patriot.

I hope to be proven all wrong, but not one person has given me any hope to feel I might be. Obama. Clinton, lack of political experience.....ALL OF THAT does not excuse lying to the american public and being deceitful. You accept that....I just cannot.

He may work out, because I think he has some great advisors. His shift in his policies bother me but not as much as they should bother all his followers. He is coming back to a combination of Marco Rubio and Obama policies actually. All the EOs he has signed are nothing but calls for investigations.....he needs to govern.....and stop worrying about HIS own reputation. He was elected and now the campaign is over....govern.

You will probably be hearing soon just how Donald Trump's minions helped the Russians interfere with the US Presidential Election. It is under investigation. They need to find solid evidence even if the rumors suggest that Trump's people were involved.

All of Donald Trump’s Ties to Russia and Putin, in 7 Charts - POLITICO Magazine

Originally Posted by Guest

You will probably be hearing soon just how Donald Trump's minions helped the Russians interfere with the US Presidential Election. It is under investigation. They need to find solid evidence even if the rumors suggest that Trump's people were involved.

All of Donald Trump’s Ties to Russia and Putin, in 7 Charts - POLITICO Magazine

First, I think but sure have no concrete idea, that this may take some time.

Second, I do not think that Trump PERSONALLY was involved with Russia, and I do not think he is stupid enough to allow traces of any exposure with any staff member consorting with them. I do however look at some of his reactions and wonder.

Thirdly, it is not just Russia....read about his Turkey ties...his twin towers in that country....his own admission during the campaign that he had "conflicts of interest" in Turkey. His support for a man who presides over perhaps the most corrupt and terror ridden country in the world, and who is now positioning himself to become another Putin (no opposition allowed). Why he supports him so publicly is a mystery to me. Turkey is a mixed and complicated bag. In many ways the USA needs Turkey but to publiclly support this man is a real mystery to me.

Originally Posted by Rockface

First, I think but sure have no concrete idea, that this may take some time.

Second, I do not think that Trump PERSONALLY was involved with Russia, and I do not think he is stupid enough to allow traces of any exposure with any staff member consorting with them. I do however look at some of his reactions and wonder.

Thirdly, it is not just Russia....read about his Turkey ties...his twin towers in that country....his own admission during the campaign that he had "conflicts of interest" in Turkey. His support for a man who presides over perhaps the most corrupt and terror ridden country in the world, and who is now positioning himself to become another Putin (no opposition allowed). Why he supports him so publicly is a mystery to me. Turkey is a mixed and complicated bag. In many ways the USA needs Turkey but to publiclly support this man is a real mystery to me.

Who did you vote for in the election?? LMFAO!!

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Originally Posted by Guest

I responded earlier to your question on the Russian involvement in our election, and made a general statement on Trump.

I said I understood your remarks and in some cases I agree.

THAT does not excuse LYING. Lying is not something you do by accident...it is ALWAYS premeditated. And he does it always. Using a network as a source for national security has nothing to do with anything except he is playing his game for HIS own use. He is an egoist of the nth degree and always, his entire life has been so. I am not happy with his total disregard for ethics in the White House, his business relationsships etc.

If you read about Turkey, which I agree is a bit complicated, but alas his twin towers in Turkey are always at the top of his list.

He is a very very mean spirited man. He had no reason to insult the queen of England or Merkle from Germany...NO REASON AT ALL. He represents us all when he does that.

None of that has to do with political correctness...it has to do with a lack of any moral compass at all.

On the other hand, what gives me some hope is the slight movement to move Bannon out, his connnection to the extreme right. I have no problem with his cabinet but I really find fault with his hypocrisy on lobbyists. Another attempt to hide is how I see it.

I realize I am anti Trump....I admit it and feel I am on solid ground and nobody yet has given me reason on here to not feel the way I do....all I get is about Clinton or Obama.....the problem as I see it goes back to the primary and his support. I left the party at that point, because I sure hope someone does some homework on this President. In his 70 years he has done NOT ONE SINGLE THING FOR THIS COUNTRY, and I see no valid reason to mention him as a patriot.

I hope to be proven all wrong, but not one person has given me any hope to feel I might be. Obama. Clinton, lack of political experience.....ALL OF THAT does not excuse lying to the american public and being deceitful. You accept that....I just cannot.

He may work out, because I think he has some great advisors. His shift in his policies bother me but not as much as they should bother all his followers. He is coming back to a combination of Marco Rubio and Obama policies actually. All the EOs he has signed are nothing but calls for investigations.....he needs to govern.....and stop worrying about HIS own reputation. He was elected and now the campaign is over....govern.

First, let me say thank you for your thoughtful and civil response and discussion. I think this is what we both are seeking on here.

I am not particularly a follower of President Trump. Like you, I feel that he should always level with us and let us decide if we agree. Hopefully, he does do that with the ones there that he has to deal with on a daily basis. One of the things he did that I completely agree with, is his NOT overriding or even attempting to override the rejection of the new health care plan with his "pen and a phone". The concept of what he is trying to accomplish with healthcare is good, but not all the crap everyone tried to attach to it, much like they did with Obamacare. It's good that this time it is NOT going to be rammed down everyone's throat just because he wants it.

I very much would like to see a Congress where they ALL are willing to work for the good of all America instead of themselves. I, too, am guilty of not paying much attention to politics when I was younger. I wish I had, but that changes nothing. The young ones out there now being so brainwashed by our higher learning system is pathetic. This going on in our universities is nothing new. It was beginning to take a toehold in the 60's. I remember my mother telling me that it was. As a school nurse, she had to take x-number of college hours each year to stay in the school system and saw what was beginning to happen back then.

As for lying, no one can possibly hold a candle to Hillary Clinton on that one. She continually lied throughout her campaign and to the FBI about her private server and the use of it. As a mother of two retired Navy sons, I can feel nothing but contempt for her lying to the parents of their sons killed in Benghazi. That was bad enough, but to accuse them of lying about what she said is totally beyond wrong. Then for her, then President Obama, and Susan Rice to go before the American public and the world and continue to lie about it having to do with a video just to win an election can be nothing but wrong. Remember, when you watch someone on live television continue to perpetrate that same lie in their speeches/interviews, is anything but admirable. McCain is just as bad, if not worse, along with many of the others on both sides.

I did vote for Trump. Voting for anyone else, was simply a vote for Hillary. Do I agree with President Trump on everything? Absolutely not. Maybe he would not catch so much flak if he would just shut up occasionally. He really is in uncharted waters and would do well to pay more attention and learn. He is definitely not stupid. He just needs to talk to the American people the same as he does with those in the one-on-one meetings. He needs to buckle down and realize that this is not a reality show. Sometimes he does; just not nearly enough.

The reason you get "about Clinton and Obama" is because Obama was the former President, totally anything but honest and transparent, and Clinton because she was the only other opponent with any chance of winning. Her only care/concern was in becoming the first female to ever be elected President, even if it meant buying off and stealing the nomination from Sanders.

I still think it is only fair to give President Trump the same chance that President Obama got for not one, but two terms. I was willing to give President Obama a fair shake. He blew it. I have no problem with a black/half black/Hispanic or female President. Unfortunately, the wrong one got elected; fortunately, the wrong female did not. Many, many countries have female leaders and always have and have proven themselves many times over.

Until we clean up our politics as we know it right now, not much is likely to change. Congress needs to be reminded that they are there to do a job FOR us, not ON us. WE are their employers, and as in any other job, you don't do it then you get fired! Until we take the money out of politics and quit shutting out all Americans except the wealthy, I fear not much will change. Just like the politicians, we need to consider what is good for our country, not just our own little corner of it. Money has destroyed so much in our country. I have no problem with people being rich, kudos to them for what they have. My problem comes with their takeover of politics, unions, etc. I grew up in a Democrat family. My parents always voted a straight ticket. That was the Democratic Party of old. Unions then represented the worker until someone figured out they could use it for their own personal cash cow. That is when the worker ceased to exist except for paying into that cow.

President Kennedy had it right when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Sadly, both parties have chosen to ignore those wise words.

Originally Posted by Guest

First, let me say thank you for your thoughtful and civil response and discussion. I think this is what we both are seeking on here.

I am not particularly a follower of President Trump. Like you, I feel that he should always level with us and let us decide if we agree. Hopefully, he does do that with the ones there that he has to deal with on a daily basis. One of the things he did that I completely agree with, is his NOT overriding or even attempting to override the rejection of the new health care plan with his "pen and a phone". The concept of what he is trying to accomplish with healthcare is good, but not all the crap everyone tried to attach to it, much like they did with Obamacare. It's good that this time it is NOT going to be rammed down everyone's throat just because he wants it.

I very much would like to see a Congress where they ALL are willing to work for the good of all America instead of themselves. I, too, am guilty of not paying much attention to politics when I was younger. I wish I had, but that changes nothing. The young ones out there now being so brainwashed by our higher learning system is pathetic. This going on in our universities is nothing new. It was beginning to take a toehold in the 60's. I remember my mother telling me that it was. As a school nurse, she had to take x-number of college hours each year to stay in the school system and saw what was beginning to happen back then.

As for lying, no one can possibly hold a candle to Hillary Clinton on that one. She continually lied throughout her campaign and to the FBI about her private server and the use of it. As a mother of two retired Navy sons, I can feel nothing but contempt for her lying to the parents of their sons killed in Benghazi. That was bad enough, but to accuse them of lying about what she said is totally beyond wrong. Then for her, then President Obama, and Susan Rice to go before the American public and the world and continue to lie about it having to do with a video just to win an election can be nothing but wrong. Remember, when you watch someone on live television continue to perpetrate that same lie in their speeches/interviews, is anything but admirable. McCain is just as bad, if not worse, along with many of the others on both sides.

I did vote for Trump. Voting for anyone else, was simply a vote for Hillary. Do I agree with President Trump on everything? Absolutely not. Maybe he would not catch so much flak if he would just shut up occasionally. He really is in uncharted waters and would do well to pay more attention and learn. He is definitely not stupid. He just needs to talk to the American people the same as he does with those in the one-on-one meetings. He needs to buckle down and realize that this is not a reality show. Sometimes he does; just not nearly enough.

The reason you get "about Clinton and Obama" is because Obama was the former President, totally anything but honest and transparent, and Clinton because she was the only other opponent with any chance of winning. Her only care/concern was in becoming the first female to ever be elected President, even if it meant buying off and stealing the nomination from Sanders.

I still think it is only fair to give President Trump the same chance that President Obama got for not one, but two terms. I was willing to give President Obama a fair shake. He blew it. I have no problem with a black/half black/Hispanic or female President. Unfortunately, the wrong one got elected; fortunately, the wrong female did not. Many, many countries have female leaders and always have and have proven themselves many times over.

Until we clean up our politics as we know it right now, not much is likely to change. Congress needs to be reminded that they are there to do a job FOR us, not ON us. WE are their employers, and as in any other job, you don't do it then you get fired! Until we take the money out of politics and quit shutting out all Americans except the wealthy, I fear not much will change. Just like the politicians, we need to consider what is good for our country, not just our own little corner of it. Money has destroyed so much in our country. I have no problem with people being rich, kudos to them for what they have. My problem comes with their takeover of politics, unions, etc. I grew up in a Democrat family. My parents always voted a straight ticket. That was the Democratic Party of old. Unions then represented the worker until someone figured out they could use it for their own personal cash cow. That is when the worker ceased to exist except for paying into that cow.

President Kennedy had it right when he said, "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country." Sadly, both parties have chosen to ignore those wise words.

I think the single most important thing in your reply was your recognition of an attempt to be civil. I have become much more aggressive recently because so many feel a smart as response like an "endearing" nickname, changing GUEST to a demeaning name or totally avoiding real issues has hardened me.

In any case, we will have to "agree to disagree" on your comments relative to Obama and Clinton. While there may have been untruths from both on some topics, they are not in office. I objected very strongly to most of Obama policies but in time of emergency, or crisis, I believed him, and he was never shown to lie. I do not have that feel at all with our current President. If the truth will, in any way, show HIM PERSONALLY in anything but a positive light, he will shun the truth. He has DONE THAT ALREADY.

But, "agreeing to disagree" on Clinton or Obama is not a big deal as they are not in office at all and not relevant, except...

I suspect so many votes were cast as anti Clinton or anti Obama instead of FOR anything, and I understand that. Of course, my objection was the primary.

But, water over the damn....none should allow our current President to lie to us...not address policy (something I hope congress will pressure), use a news network as a source for foreign policy, PUBLICLY demean (and I will miss some) England, the Queen, head of state of Germany, his own intelligence community, and that is partial in addition to accusing PUBLICLY the ex President, and many others of feloni, and that list is partial. All while praising Russia and now Turkey, two countries that has substantial Trump business ties. Ther is PART of my problems.

I agree with you on health care, and hope he stops threatening Americans he will pull the rug, get smart, be a man and talk to democrats, NOT ABOUT ANYTHING BUT HEALTH CARE COSTS FOR ALL ANERICANS, no cute names like Obama care, just go to work and find a way. I agree with many things he has said. I just reviewed his entire life, and find it so troublesome to believe.

Thanks to you for your civility. Refreshing on here where one liners or general condemnation of anyone who does not bow to Trump is the norm.