UNMASKING as part of our government to racial hate and discussion of skin color...amazing

Originally Posted by Guest

I am still steamed over the person...Gracie..reference to unmasking as slimy and whatever else she said.

You people are in the fringe of being flat out crazy and nuts.

Nobody is defending abpnyone, but even our intelligence community know IF, WHO, etc. BUT YOU ARE ALREADY CALLING NAMES .

OUR PRESIDENT HAS CREATED A COMPLETE STATE OF HATE AND ALL YOU UNTHINKING, STUPID, UNINFORMED PEOPLE JUST FOLLOW WHAT HE SAYS.

HE HAS BEEN MALIGNING OUR HARDWORKING INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOR A YEAR IR MORE AND HAS TAKEN YOU INTO HIS FANTASY WORLD.

Sorry, but this is typical unamerican hate.

"OUR PRESIDENT HAS CREATED A COMPLETE STATE OF HATE"

You must be referring to President Obama.

Hate cops
Hate whites
Hate our sacrificing troops....the ones willing to die for us, not the Bergdahls...you know, the deserter he honored
Hate America and everything American


And the list goes on.

There is so much talk on here and in the media about how Russia "interfered" in our election. Can somebody PLEASE explain to me just exactly how they interfered?

The people I have talked to did NOT want Hillary Clinton to be President. Russia had nothing to do with it for them or me. Hillary, herself, did. She had one goal and one goal only: To be the first female ever elected President of the United States. She could care less about this country. Unlike President Kennedy, she only cares about "what this country can do for her". I couldn't stand her when she ran against President Obama and still can't. She is totally crooked in every walk of her life and demonstrated that even more when she was Secretary of State. Why would anyone want her as President when she couldn't even do a decent job, not good just decent, as Secretary?

As far as any "collusion" with Russia, she should be looked at for that one. Whatever dealings Donald Trump may have had with Russia was as a PRIVATE CITIZEN, not an official of the US Government.

Why is it that it is just wonderful and so acceptable to get close to all the countries that hate our guts, but not Russia? It's no secret that Russia and the US have long been enemies, even though at one point we were allies. I would much prefer having them as 'friends' than North Korea or Iran. At least we haven't furnished them with nuclear capability like we have Iran. (Oops, we may have, if you can believe that Hillary sold them uranium. In all fairness, not sure that that one has yet been proven.)

It must be just fine with some of you that then-President Obama promised a smooth transition to the new administration and has since seen to it that it has been anything but. He even went so far as to shake hands on it. THAT is neither the mark of a gentleman nor a man of his word.

But President Donald Trump lies.

Originally Posted by Guest

I cut and pasted quite a bit, because 99.9 % of readers on this forum do not ever check links and this might be for even one person..

I post it ONLY because I am so sick of Fox News and the White House contriving everything under the sun to portray GOOG GOVERNMENT as something nefarious. The fact our President is conducting this, allowing it and quoting it is disturbing.

This article is very clear, and was recommended by someone who should know his stuff.

If you tire of wanting to know what is real, just skip it. I am beyond thinking most in here are even interested in what is real




"Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice reportedly tried to learn the identities of officials on President Donald Trump's transition team whose conversations with foreign officials were incidentally collected during routine intelligence-gathering operations.

The intelligence reports obtained by Rice, who served under President Barack Obama from 2013 to 2017, "were summaries of monitored conversations — primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials," Bloomberg's Eli Lake reported on Monday.

National-security experts say Rice's reported requests to identify who was speaking with the foreign officials before Trump was inaugurated were neither unusual nor against the law — especially if, as Lake reported, the foreign officials being monitored were discussing "valuable political information" that required the identity of the people they were speaking to, or about, to be uncovered.

"The identities of US persons may be released under two circumstances: 1) the identity is needed to make sense of the intercept; 2) if a crime is involved in the conversation," said Robert Deitz, a former senior counselor to the CIA director and former general counsel at the National Security Agency.

"Any senior official who receives the underlying intelligence may request these identities," Deitz said, noting that while "the bar for obtaining the identity is not particularly high, it must come from a senior official, and the reason cannot simply be raw curiosity."

Documents showing that Rice made those requests were uncovered by the National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, according to Lake's reporting. Cohen-Watnick was involved in providing documents related to the incidental surveillance of members of Trump's transition team to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes about two weeks ago, though it is unclear if they are the same documents mentioned in Lake's reporting.

A source of concern to some, however, has been why some of Trump's associates who had been caught up in the surveillance and later unmasked, such as former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, had their names leaked to the press. Lake, for instance, has argued that the "selective leaking of monitored communications of US persons is a police-state tactic."

But former NSA Director Michael Hayden, who also served as the principal deputy director of national intelligence and the director of the CIA, cautioned against "automatically assuming that the US person was party to the conversation" that may have prompted an unmasking.

"My life experience suggests that the overwhelming proportion of these cases of incidental collection is not information to or from an American, but information about an American," Hayden said. "In this case, it is very likely in most instances two foreigners talking about the Trump transition."

Lake's article follows a Fox News report citing "a source" who said the official who sought to identify the people who were speaking with monitored foreign agents was "very well known, very high up, very senior in the intelligence world."

Trump on Monday praised Fox's "amazing reporting on unmasking and the crooked scheme against us," which he said showed that "there was electronic surveillance" of his inner circle during the transition.


As Nunes has told reporters and as Lake has reported, there is no evidence that Trump and his team were directly surveilled.

The move by Rice, if she had probable cause, could likely be viewed as routine and expected of high-level intelligence officials, said Paul Pillar, a 28-year veteran of the CIA and former executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for intelligence.


Pillar, who is now a nonresident senior fellow at Georgetown University's Center for Security Studies, said Rice may have even been motivated to request identities in order to constrain her own communications.

"If Ms. Rice was communicating with members of Trump's team regarding transition matters and she learns from intelligence that some such members also are communicating with the Russians, she would want to know exactly who is doing that so she can be extra careful in her own talks, lest something she says gets relayed to Moscow," Pillar said.

"This whole story strikes me as just more of the effort to divert attention from the issue of the relations that Trump and his associates have had with Russia, and as part of the diversion to try to suggest impropriety of some sort on the part of the Obama administration," Pillar said. "In other words, it's a continuation of an effort to salvage something from Trump's baseless charges about Obama wiretapping him."

The White House has tried repeatedly, with varying degrees of evidence, to validate Trump's explosive claim made last month that Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower during the election.

A former Obama administration official responsible for the Defense Department's Russia policy, for instance, came into the White House's crosshairs last week for what it has characterized as her admission that Obama-era officials were collecting intelligence on Trump and his transition team.

Pillar said that "an important thing to remember is that we are dealing with foreign intelligence — intelligence on Russian activities — and indeed, Russian activities that strike close to the heart of our democratic processes.

"We should be disturbed if whoever was in office was not keeping close tabs on that sort of thing," he said."

Susan Rice tried to 'unmask' Trump associates, report says - Business Insider




By the way, as I said, I don't care if anyone reads this..I know most don't care much about truth and USA but if there is someone, I excluded a few paras, so read the link to see the whole thing.

Nothing here trying to condemn Trump, his staff or anyone. I am just sick of him and Fox muddying up an important investigation. I hope he did nothing, because that would be a disaster for our country and bottom line is that..the country

This is Trump over and over. His first claim was to cast doubt on Obama being an American. He continued this nonsense for five years. Susan Rice was doing her job to protect American lives.

Originally Posted by Guest

That's 1 who doesn't read

This is one of those stupid people who believed Obama was Kenyan.

Originally Posted by Guest

Not true. It's obvious that you have never handled classified material before, or intelligence reporting. The unmasking of American citizens is only allowed for special situations, NOT FOR PERSONAL REASONS. Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted. Then, on top of it all, she just lied about it to the American people. She should have kept her mouth shut, but she is a stupid person. That is obvious from the time she insisted that a video was responsible for Benghazi.

Another responder who should not be offering stupid and wrong information. There is zero evidence Rice did anything for political reasons. She could only get a name by requesting such from the FBI or CIA. She and only she was to see the name of an unmasked person. You probably still Trump counted 3.5 illegals voting for Hillary in the last election or that Obama is a Kenyan ...

Originally Posted by Guest

I am sure you do, you certainly make that abundantly clear.

I suggest then that both of you are so consumed with hate for so many other Americans you are missing thevrealty of the world.

Your perception, that somehow, you can identify a group, and then blame the chaos in the world on that is not palatable to me.

You both have said you wish to talk topics, but 100% of the time post on theoretical themes attacking one group or another.

Ethical and kind...I think not. Ethical is recognizing individuals as such, and not simply a member of a group that YOU classify. Kind is not being blindly judgmental of people who do not fit the mold YOU have proclaimed acceptable.

To your specific point.....those bad people have already proven a foreign country hacked and attempted to move or sway our electoral system.

ALL THE REST is at the behest and request of the President of the United States. It is NOT at the request of the media. It is NOT at the request of "progressives". It is taking place, simply and ONLY because if the President if the United States, HE is the ONLY one to accuse his predecessor of wire tapping and instructed the comm. to investigate...HE is the one who accused 1/2 million illegals of voting and told them to investigate it. HE is the one quoting FOX news weekly with anonymous sources to chase.

You post like you know what you are talking about, and ignore all facts.

The love, admiration and total and complete adherence to Trump, even when he lies should be of concern.

I now know why you avoid actual issues....you know nothing about them.

To be ethical and kind, you need awareness...,you need sensitivity..,you have none of that.

The lack of facing reality and the coupling with the President making almost daily news with his own conspiracy theory, NONE generated anywhere but the Whitehouse simply robs real issues of news space. He is playing the press with what appears to be a cover up of something. Nobody in the media, nor a progressive started anything, and are reacting to him, which he enjoys.

I hope you get you wish, and there is nothing, but he keeps adding to the story each day.

You keep posting a definitive theme....move on, but you do not seem to be able to

So true and right on the mark !!

Originally Posted by Guest

I still think that it is slimy and underhanded and I think she lied. LIED.

This is what stupid people usually think..

Originally Posted by Guest

This is one of those stupid people who believed Obama was Kenyan.

Barack Obama lived with his mother and Islamic stepfather in J a k a r t a and attended an Islamic primary School in Ja****a in fourth fifth and sixth grade..
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Religion in Indonesia
Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation; almost 87.18% of Indonesians declared themselves Muslim in the 2010 census.[14] 9.87% of the population adhered to Christianity (of which more than 70% were Protestant), 1.69% were Hindu, 0.72% Buddhist, and 0.56 of other faiths. Most Indonesian Hindus are Balinese[15] and most Buddhists in modern-day Indonesia are Tionghoa.[16]

Originally Posted by Guest

Another responder who should not be offering stupid and wrong information. There is zero evidence Rice did anything for political reasons. She could only get a name by requesting such from the FBI or CIA. She and only she was to see the name of an unmasked person. You probably still Trump counted 3.5 illegals voting for Hillary in the last election or that Obama is a Kenyan ...

Warren, you don't even know what you are talking about. Explain to me how she could have any reason to unmask Americans on the Trump team, when she had absolutely no legitimate authority or reason to do so. You can't, because you are thinking like the partisan hack you are. Obviously, you have NEVER handled classified information before, especially Intel reporting. Do some research before you talk out your @ss to someone that has knowledge of how the process works.

Originally Posted by Guest

Warren, you don't even know what you are talking about. Explain to me how she could have any reason to unmask Americans on the Trump team, when she had absolutely no legitimate authority or reason to do so. You can't, because you are thinking like the partisan hack you are. Obviously, you have NEVER handled classified information before, especially Intel reporting. Do some research before you talk out your @ss to someone that has knowledge of how the process works.

Let's review.....how does she know who it is UNTIL SHE UNMASKS.

Have any of you ever really worked anywhere at allactually, Warren was 100% correct. You need to learn reading comprehension

Originally Posted by Guest

Barack Obama lived with his mother and Islamic stepfather in J a k a r t a and attended an Islamic primary School in Ja****a in fourth fifth and sixth grade..
.
Religion in Indonesia
Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation; almost 87.18% of Indonesians declared themselves Muslim in the 2010 census.[14] 9.87% of the population adhered to Christianity (of which more than 70% were Protestant), 1.69% were Hindu, 0.72% Buddhist, and 0.56 of other faiths. Most Indonesian Hindus are Balinese[15] and most Buddhists in modern-day Indonesia are Tionghoa.[16]

YOUR WORDS MEAN NOTHING. Obama HAD A BONIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM HAWAII.

Originally Posted by Guest

Let's review.....how does she know who it is UNTIL SHE UNMASKS.

Have any of you ever really worked anywhere at allactually, Warren was 100% correct. You need to learn reading comprehension

Thanks for the support. I know I am correct.

Originally Posted by Guest

YOUR WORDS MEAN NOTHING. Obama HAD A BONIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM HAWAII.

Your attitude is unfriendly.

Originally Posted by Guest

Warren, you don't even know what you are talking about. Explain to me how she could have any reason to unmask Americans on the Trump team, when she had absolutely no legitimate authority or reason to do so. You can't, because you are thinking like the partisan hack you are. Obviously, you have NEVER handled classified information before, especially Intel reporting. Do some research before you talk out your @ss to someone that has knowledge of how the process works.

Obviously you have no clue what Susan Rice's job was. Let me inform you that she was charged with protecting you and I.. Here is where your ignorance shows, OF COURSE SHE HAD FULL AUTHORITY TO ASK THE JUDICIAL BUREAUS TO UNMASK ANY PERSON SUSPECTED OF SUSPICION. Take 9-11 for example. If the CIA tapped into communications between someone in the USA and the Ben Laden group, are you dumb enough to believe she should not be told from who the calls were being made. And where did you come up with her wanting data on the Trump team?? No one has disclosed that !! I am always sorry when I get into conversations with morons !!