Originally Posted by KayakerNC

There is also a convenient "Ignore" feature if any poster gets overly vitriolic.

Thanks for the heads up/reminder.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

There are approximately 17,000 murders in the USA each year (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offens..._homicide.html). That breaks out to about 46 per day.

There have been 18 law enforcement officers in the USA gunned down so far this year (that's roughly one a week).

What make Dr. Hiller's death more sad than any one of the other 45 people killed on the same day? What about the three policemen killed so far this month alone? They didn't even get a short line in the news.

Where's the concern for all of the others? Why should an abortionist's murder rate more concern than the rest of the murdered population?

Were any of these law enforcement offices gunned down at their house of worship? Where any of them targeted for death over a number of years? Was any of them gunned down before? My commenting on his death has absolutely nothing to do with theirs. Perhaps we should start another string about the high rate of murders in this country. Would you like to do that or should I?

I can certainly feel for the 17,000 murders and clearly be upset at the number of Chicago children killed just this year alone. As for the 18 police officers killed in the line of duty my heart goes out to their families.

My point was here is a doctor that was doing his job but he was targeted by some very committed people and from all accounts law enforcement looked the other way.

We all need to tone down the rhetoric....we here are not the problem but who knows who is tuning in and what they might do.

Originally Posted by cologal

Were any of these law enforcement offices gunned down at their house of worship? Where any of them targeted for death over a number of years? Was any of them gunned down before? My commenting on his death has absolutely nothing to do with theirs. Perhaps we should start another string about the high rate of murders in this country. Would you like to do that or should I?

I can certainly feel for the 17,000 murders and clearly be upset at the number of Chicago children killed just this year alone. As for the 18 police officers killed in the line of duty my heart goes out to their families.

My point was here is a doctor that was doing his job but he was targeted by some very committed people and from all accounts law enforcement looked the other way.We all need to tone down the rhetoric....we here are not the problem but who knows who is tuning in and what they might do.

Do you have any responsible sources to back up that statement? As far as "tuning down" rhetoric...what do you mean? Do you mean movies about assassinating presidents? There goes my memory again but didn't hollywood produce a movie about that subject about the previous Commander In Chief?
Seems the rhetoric has been thrown around quite a bit in the last few years, huh?

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

There is also a convenient "Ignore" feature if any poster gets overly vitriolic.

Kayaker...how cool is that, an "ignore" switch. Maybe we can have a switch that blocks out all "liberal" posters or all "conservative" posters so we can interact only in the comfort of like minded and less stress provoking thinkers.
Hey....wait a minute....you can do that with the "ignore" switch!

Hmm.... Cologal and I differ frequently, but I respect her posts. Should I spare myself the trauma of a different point of view? Maybe I'll slip her into my.... dare I say...."like minded thinkers box". I hardly ever agree with kahuna on the politcal stuff, but he makes some really cool, well constructed posts especially on the economy. Drat..where do I put him. Can I put you in my "do not ignore box" kayaker? If I don't get a response from you....I guess you hit my "ignore" switch.

Have fun and a good evening in the Villages

Originally Posted by cabo35

Kayaker...how cool is that, an "ignore" switch. Maybe we can have a switch that blocks out all "liberal" posters or all "conservative" posters so we can interact only in the comfort of like minded and less stress provoking thinkers.
Hey....wait a minute....you can do that with the "ignore" switch!

Hmm.... Cologal and I differ frequently, but I respect her posts. Should I spare myself the trauma of a different point of view? Maybe I'll slip her into my.... dare I say...."like minded thinkers box". I hardly ever agree with kahuna on the politcal stuff, but he makes some really cool, well constructed posts especially on the economy. Drat..where do I put him. Can I put you in my "do not ignore box" kayaker? If I don't get a response from you....I guess you hit my "ignore" switch.

Have fun and a good evening in the Villages

Very well articulated Carbo. I wish I had your command of the english language because you just expressed what I was thinking but in a more eloquent way.

Keedy

Originally Posted by Keedy

Do you have any responsible sources to back up that statement? As far as "tuning down" rhetoric...what do you mean? Do you mean movies about assassinating presidents? There goes my memory again but didn't hollywood produce a movie about that subject about the previous Commander In Chief?
Seems the rhetoric has been thrown around quite a bit in the last few years, huh?

I am NOT talking about anything having to do with this President or the Previous President. But I have not heard nor seen a movie like that nor would I condone its production.

The anti abortion rhetoric in Kansas, for example is unbelievable. Lets talk about the anti gay rhetoric that has led to attacks and deaths, in Tenn., at Unitarian Churchs.

We have one bomber, of abortion clinics, in jail, 7 doctors dead. I think the death toll in Knoxville might have been about 7-8.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Kayaker...how cool is that, an "ignore" switch. Maybe we can have a switch that blocks out all "liberal" posters or all "conservative" posters so we can interact only in the comfort of like minded and less stress provoking thinkers.
Hey....wait a minute....you can do that with the "ignore" switch!

Hmm.... Cologal and I differ frequently, but I respect her posts. Should I spare myself the trauma of a different point of view? Maybe I'll slip her into my.... dare I say...."like minded thinkers box". I hardly ever agree with kahuna on the politcal stuff, but he makes some really cool, well constructed posts especially on the economy. Drat..where do I put him. Can I put you in my "do not ignore box" kayaker? If I don't get a response from you....I guess you hit my "ignore" switch.

Have fun and a good evening in the Villages

Hey Cabo...I have you on my "He's a pretty good guy list". Maybe we can go fishing sometime if you promise I won't get sea sick.

Have a great evening.....

Still Laughing......

Originally Posted by cologal

I am NOT talking about anything having to do with this President or the Previous President. But I have not heard nor seen a movie like that nor would I condone its production.

The anti abortion rhetoric in Kansas, for example is unbelievable. Lets talk about the anti gay rhetoric that has led to attacks and deaths, in Tenn., at Unitarian Churchs.

We have one bomber, of abortion clinics, in jail, 7 doctors dead. I think the death toll in Knoxville might have been about 7-8.

And that's supposed to be the fault of law enforcement?

I'm not sure how "unbelievable" is quantified.

Originally Posted by cologal

I am NOT talking about anything having to do with this President or the Previous President. But I have not heard nor seen a movie like that nor would I condone its production.

The anti abortion rhetoric in Kansas, for example is unbelievable. Lets talk about the anti gay rhetoric that has led to attacks and deaths, in Tenn., at Unitarian Churchs.

We have one bomber, of abortion clinics, in jail, 7 doctors dead. I think the death toll in Knoxville might have been about 7-8.

The anti-abortion rhetoric in Kansas? I grew up in Kansas City, have always had family there and visited family in Overland Park, Kansas this spring. I have not encountered any such rhetoric. When and where did you observe it?

Jim Atkinson, the man who committed the murders you reference in Tennessee, is quoted as saying, “he hated the liberal movement” and was upset with “liberals in general as well as gays.” There is no question that this is a deeply disturbed man, but he made no attempt to identify gays. This was not the result of anti-gay rhetoric, but probably related to the fact that his ex-wife had been a member of the church.

Both of these are isolated acts performed by sick men. No one has come forward in support of either of them. BTW, the death toll in Knoxville was two not 7-8. Steve is absolutely correct when he points out that the murder of Dr. Tiller coverage was totally out of proportion as has been the coverage of the Caylee Anthony death. These may get ratings, but draw coverage away from more serious threats such as gang violence and terrorism

Originally Posted by SteveZ

And that's supposed to be the fault of law enforcement?

I'm not sure how "unbelievable" is quantified.

Yes the killer was caught, the day before, in Kansas City trying to vandalize a clinic there. They called the FBI who told them they could do nothing until a Grand Jury was convened. Had they arrested the guy the Doctor would be alive today.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

The anti-abortion rhetoric in Kansas? I grew up in Kansas City, have always had family there and visited family in Overland Park, Kansas this spring. I have not encountered any such rhetoric. When and where did you observe it?

Jim Atkinson, the man who committed the murders you reference in Tennessee, is quoted as saying, “he hated the liberal movement” and was upset with “liberals in general as well as gays.” There is no question that this is a deeply disturbed man, but he made no attempt to identify gays. This was not the result of anti-gay rhetoric, but probably related to the fact that his ex-wife had been a member of the church.

Both of these are isolated acts performed by sick men. No one has come forward in support of either of them. BTW, the death toll in Knoxville was two not 7-8. Steve is absolutely correct when he points out that the murder of Dr. Tiller coverage was totally out of proportion as has been the coverage of the Caylee Anthony death. These may get ratings, but draw coverage away from more serious threats such as gang violence and terrorism

I went to school in Kansas... Dodge City. Very small Catholic College.

What about Rudolf? And the bombing and killing he did.

When I first seen this thread posted I was hoping nobody would respond and it would die a natural forum death, so to speak. One reason is because when this happened another big news event was ignored and I didn't think it was right. The media gave this alot of ink and almost totally ignored the muslim terrorist who killed an American Soldier in cold blood.
Why is that?

Originally Posted by Keedy

When I first seen this thread posted I was hoping nobody would respond and it would die a natural forum death, so to speak. One reason is because when this happened another big news event was ignored and I didn't think it was right. The media gave this alot of ink and almost totally ignored the muslim terrorist who killed an American Soldier in cold blood.
Why is that?

Check my posts I referenced it....you missed that?

Originally Posted by cologal

Check my posts I referenced it....you missed that?

I'm talking about when you first started this thread. The mainstream media all but ignored the death of that innocent soldier by that muslim terrorist. Shows you where their priorities are.

Originally Posted by cologal

I went to school in Kansas... Dodge City. Very small Catholic College.

What about Rudolf? And the bombing and killing he did.

How much 'anti-abortion rhetoric' that would encourage the killing of people did you hear or see while at that college? How much have you actually observed in Kansas in the last twenty years.

What about Rudolph? Eric Rudolph. He is the man who performed the Olympic bombing during 1996 summer Olympics in Atlanta, killing one person and injuring another 111. He was later to bomb two abortion clinics and a lesbian bar, killing one more person in these actions. He was finally found by the FBI in 2003 and tried and convicted in 2005. He will spend the rest of his life in prison. He has joined Ted Kaczynski, the extreme leftist unabomer, in the ‘supermax’ prison in Colorado.

Both of these guys are fruitcakes. Kaczynski sent a total of 18 bombs killing 3 and injuring 27. Because of the impact of their actions, both should have, and did, receive significant media attention. Despite their statements, we will never understand what caused these men to do the things they did. While Rudolph has stated he did what he did because of abortion – his most successful bomb, the Atlanta Olympics, had nothing to do with that agenda.

Attacks of this type are, thankfully, rare. There has not been an abortion related killing until Dr. Hiller since 1993 from what I have been able to ascertain. I may certainly be wrong. If so, correction is always appreciated.

I reiterate, we need to focus our attention on the major causes of murder including gang violence (esp. the rapidly escalating Mexican drug cartel violence in the USA) and terrorism. Dr. Hiller’s murder was obscene, but no more so than the drive-by shootings of innocents that routinely occur in our cities.