I hope the republican party and some posters keep up this charade about contraception. The vast majority of Americans support a womens right to contraception. 90% of catholic women use contraception. In most places it is not a big deal. And to constantly bring up abortion when the topic is contraception and trying to tie the two together is a greta Fox move but totally bogus. The catholic church is just stupid about this and if they are going to preach about it on Sunday then I say lets start taxing them.

Originally Posted by waynet

I hope the republican party and some posters keep up this charade about contraception. The vast majority of Americans support a womens right to contraception. 90% of catholic women use contraception. In most places it is not a big deal. And to constantly bring up abortion when the topic is contraception and trying to tie the two together is a greta Fox move but totally bogus. The catholic church is just stupid about this and if they are going to preach about it on Sunday then I say lets start taxing them.

How is it logical that if the Catholic Church preaches against birth control drugs that they should lose their tax exempt status? Because you think it's stupid?

Do you not believe in Freedom of Religion? Or is it just the Catholic Church you want brought down?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

How is it logical that if the Catholic Church preaches against birth control drugs that they should lose their tax exempt status? Because you think it's stupid?

Do you not believe in Freedom of Religion? Or is it just the Catholic Church you want brought down?

Richie...

The Catholic Church has the right to make its doctrine, however no church can impose its doctrine on others. No one is trying to make Catholic Hospitals perform abortions.... However, if they want to use the Affordable Healthcare Act as an employer then the should cover birth control pills as most insurance companies do. The compromise is to not make the Catholic Church PAY for these pills which then should relieve them off the moral burden. They are not taking nor paying for the pills.

But as I have said before the Bishops do NOT compromise.

Originally Posted by cologal

Forget that cause I knew I could count on the hypocricy of the CHURCH!!

Catholic Health Insurance Covers Viagra - Insurance - Families.com


They pay for boner meds.....

Such childish language on an adult forum

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Such childish language on an adult forum

Whatever!!!

Originally Posted by cologal

Ok....so if the Obama Adminstration came out and mandated that the Catholic Church provide boner meds to all men then you this would be ok.

Did I get that right?

No, you didn't. I'm just wondering if the government mandates that insurance companies provide coverage for E.D. medications. If they don't it's not analogous to the conversation about compelling coverage for birth control pills.

If the insurance companies are providing coverage of their own volition for marketing purposes, that's removes it from this discussion about forced coverage.

There was no need to be snarky. I keep getting accused on this forum of being mean and angry or some other nonsense. How am I supposed to respond to personally directed comments is beyond me.

You know, the catholic Church is allowed to keep a HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS in donations *TAX FREE*.

*Sometimes* I don't think I'd mind having my First Ammendment rights 'trampled' in such a manner. Go ahead - oppress me the same way.

Originally Posted by djplong

You know, the catholic Church is allowed to keep a HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS in donations *TAX FREE*.

*Sometimes* I don't think I'd mind having my First Ammendment rights 'trampled' in such a manner. Go ahead - oppress me the same way.

The issue I have is that the Catholic Church uses some of that tax free money to help dictate political decisions made by our tax payer elected law makers. I know that REVEREND WRIGHT is doing the same thing and I say he is just as wrong as the Catholic Church.

Originally Posted by djplong

You know, the catholic Church is allowed to keep a HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS in donations *TAX FREE*.

*Sometimes* I don't think I'd mind having my First Ammendment rights 'trampled' in such a manner. Go ahead - oppress me the same way.

Start a church and apply for official recognition and you're on your way to your dream.

Let me know how it goes.

I am starting a New Church, the First Church of Many Donations. First meeting is tonight. Bring lots of money.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

No, you didn't. I'm just wondering if the government mandates that insurance companies provide coverage for E.D. medications. If they don't it's not analogous to the conversation about compelling coverage for birth control pills.

If the insurance companies are providing coverage of their own volition for marketing purposes, that's removes it from this discussion about forced coverage.

There was no need to be snarky. I keep getting accused on this forum of being mean and angry or some other nonsense. How am I supposed to respond to personally directed comments is beyond me.

Richie... I really not trying to be snarky...you used that word. In this case the Catholic Church, in contradiction, of their own teaching pay for ED medications.....but when it comes to women and birth control no matter what the reason they, as an employer, will not provide it.

Its the old double standard...one set of rules for the boys and one set for the girls.

Originally Posted by cologal

Richie... I really not trying to be snarky...you used that word. In this case the Catholic Church, in contradiction, of their own teaching pay for ED medications.....but when it comes to women and birth control no matter what the reason they, as an employer, will not provide it.

Its the old double standard...one set of rules for the boys and one set for the girls.

I'm sorry Cologal, but I believe you're wrong on this again. The Church does not ban E.D. medications because they promote conception.

The Church bans birth control pills because they prevent conception by artificial means.

Did you know that the Church officially has a ban on the use of condoms for the same reason as they ban birth control pills? Because condoms artificially prevent conception.

There is controversy in the Church at it's highest levels because of the Aids problem in the world and the effectiveness of condoms in preventing the transmission of that disease. The debate go on in the Vatican as we speak.

Richie: Being raised Catholic I'm more than a little familiar with the topic.

You *are* aware of the following facts, yes? Specifically:

1) The Catholic Church apparently will cover Viagara if you are a single male. *Clearly* against Church teachings.

2) They will cover Viagara without "checking" on the wife as to whether or not she can have or even wants children.

3) They'll cover it for men who have remarried. This is despite the fact that, in the eyes of the Church, unless they got an anullment first, they are bigamists since the Church does not recognize civil divorce. To be fair, they do not ask if the man has remarried after the death of his wife - getting married after the death of a spouse is, of course, recognized.

The Viagara / Contraception debate further exposes the hypocrisy here.

Originally Posted by djplong

Richie: Being raised Catholic I'm more than a little familiar with the topic.

You *are* aware of the following facts, yes? Specifically:

1) The Catholic Church apparently will cover Viagara if you are a single male. *Clearly* against Church teachings.

2) They will cover Viagara without "checking" on the wife as to whether or not she can have or even wants children.

3) They'll cover it for men who have remarried. This is despite the fact that, in the eyes of the Church, unless they got an anullment first, they are bigamists since the Church does not recognize civil divorce. To be fair, they do not ask if the man has remarried after the death of his wife - getting married after the death of a spouse is, of course, recognized.

The Viagara / Contraception debate further exposes the hypocrisy here.

Great post. Thank you.

Originally Posted by djplong

Richie: Being raised Catholic I'm more than a little familiar with the topic.

You *are* aware of the following facts, yes? Specifically:

1) The Catholic Church apparently will cover Viagara if you are a single male. *Clearly* against Church teachings.

2) They will cover Viagara without "checking" on the wife as to whether or not she can have or even wants children.

3) They'll cover it for men who have remarried. This is despite the fact that, in the eyes of the Church, unless they got an anullment first, they are bigamists since the Church does not recognize civil divorce. To be fair, they do not ask if the man has remarried after the death of his wife - getting married after the death of a spouse is, of course, recognized.

The Viagara / Contraception debate further exposes the hypocrisy here.

I have no first hand knowledge of any of that. I can provide links to everything I said in my post to illustrate the church's teachings, which is what I'm talking about. I don't know the particulars of the discrepancy of the Church's actions to it's teachings. How about providing some proof, or at least some compelling testimony.