religious freedom cannot be guaranteed if churches are subject to pressures from the govt, be it through taxes or forced purchase of any products...our rights in this country are given by God, not by the govt! in case you had forgotten....and by battered i mean having to hear about the abuse by a few as if it were the whole story of the church, over and over again ad nauseum. the media just loves this story and loves to attack the church whenever possible because it stands in the way of the leftist agenda.

Originally Posted by chachacha

religious freedom cannot be guaranteed if churches are subject to pressures from the govt, be it through taxes or forced purchase of any products...our rights in this country are given by God, not by the govt! in case you had forgotten....and by battered i mean having to hear about the abuse by a few as if it were the whole story of the church, over and over again ad nauseum. the media just loves this story and loves to attack the church whenever possible because it stands in the way of the leftist agenda.

Yes, preventing the molestation and rape of boys by the church's priests should be a part of everyone's agenda. If that is strictly a "leftist" agenda, count me IN.

Unless, of course, God (who according to you gave us our rights) condones such criminal behavior.

Originally Posted by chachacha

religious freedom cannot be guaranteed if churches are subject to pressures from the govt, be it through taxes or forced purchase of any products...our rights in this country are given by God, not by the govt! in case you had forgotten....and by battered i mean having to hear about the abuse by a few as if it were the whole story of the church, over and over again ad nauseum. the media just loves this story and loves to attack the church whenever possible because it stands in the way of the leftist agenda.

I assume you or your children, were not ones that were abused by a priest.......er.... leftest agenda.

Originally Posted by chachacha

religious freedom cannot be guaranteed if churches are subject to pressures from the govt, be it through taxes or forced purchase of any products...our rights in this country are given by God, not by the govt! in case you had forgotten....and by battered i mean having to hear about the abuse by a few as if it were the whole story of the church, over and over again ad nauseum. the media just loves this story and loves to attack the church whenever possible because it stands in the way of the leftist agenda.

You are so right on all of the above, but the last half of the last sentence isn't quite right.

A large portion of American Catholics join forces with the leftist agenda in the name of "social justice" when they vote for leftists like Obama, Pelosi, Biden, Boxer, Sheila Jackson-Lee, Rod Blagodevich, Rahm Emanuel, Al Franken, Harry Reid, and Maxine Waters The Erudite......

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Isnt taxing contributions to the Catholic Church OR any church for that matter, double taxation since the money was already taxed once ?

Secondly, I think it may have been Business Week who did a report a few years ago that said MOST of the small entities of the Catholic Church and each is a separate entity lost money on an annual basis due to such large expenses for schools, hospitals, orphanages, and different charity organizations.

And keep in mind, should they not run these institutions our federal or state government would need to bear the cost of all of them.

The thread is about taxes an taxation and NOT anything else that I am aware of.

I don't know anything about Al Sharpton's taxes or income, but as a faithful MSNBC viewer I do know that Keith Olbermann was never on in the 6:00pm hour. Keith was always on at 8:00pm. Sharpton replaced Cenk Uygur, the young Turk, at 6:00pm. And Olbermann was replaced by Ed Schultz at 8:00pm. If freebeacon.com got this all wrong, how much other stuff is correct?

Oh I see, because he replaced someone at the 8:00 pm slot instead of the 6 PM slot he obviously does not owe the money. Could be a time zone thing but that would still not make him owe the taxes, right?
Thanks for clearing that up????

And how do we get from Al's tax debt to raping little boys?
I know, we are arguing with liberals. You know, if you got nothing to ad just change the subject.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

Oh I see, because he replaced someone at the 8:00 pm slot instead of the 6 PM slot he obviously does not owe the money. Could be a time zone thing but that would still not make him owe the taxes, right?
Thanks for clearing that up????

And how do we get from Al's tax debt to raping little boys?
I know, we are arguing with liberals. You know, if you got nothing to ad just change the subject.

they have totally switched from the tax situation to attack mode on anything....Catholic Church is a normal attack item on their agenda.

But in defense of Janmcn...I understood what she was talking about...she alluded to if that is wrong could not the info on Sharpton be wrong so I got her a few more links to satisfy but I understood what she was saying

But in defense of Janmcn...I understood what she was talking about...she alluded to if that is wrong could not the info on Sharpton be wrong so I got her a few more links to satisfy but I understood what she was saying

The problem with that is the facts that were stated are easily researched and makes Janmcn's statement sound disingenuous . He owes taxes plan and simple, easy to find out. It does not matter if he replaces the guy at 6pm or Mickey mouse. I think the post was an attempt to cast doubt on the FACTS. A typical liberal tactic.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

The problem with that is the facts that were stated are easily researched and makes Janmcn's statement sound disingenuous . He owes taxes plan and simple, easy to find out. It does not matter if he replaces the guy at 6pm or Mickey mouse. I think the post was an attempt to cast doubt on the FACTS. A typical liberal tactic.

Oh I have no doubt that her remarks may have been an attempt to make fun of my post but I get used to that...not ignoring them anymore since yesterday ! But I needed to defend her because I did understand what she was saying !

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh I have no doubt that her remarks may have been an attempt to make fun of my post but I get used to that...not ignoring them anymore since yesterday ! But I needed to defend her because I did understand what she was saying !

i understood what janmcn intended - as well as i understand notlongnow's intention!

got nothing to add? - bug off!

Originally Posted by waynet

Fig a good honest post and you wreck it by saying Dems do not pay taxes. Your statement is just plain stupid! Please stop it.

How many in the current administration owe back taxes? I rest my case.

Originally Posted by coralway

Yes, preventing the molestation and rape of boys by the church's priests should be a part of everyone's agenda. If that is strictly a "leftist" agenda, count me IN.

Unless, of course, God (who according to you gave us our rights) condones such criminal behavior.

Coralway, I hate to insert facts in this discussion but hope it may shed some light on your opinion of the Catholic Church. The facts are simple. There has been sexual abuse by priests in the Catholic Church, however, sexual abuse in public schools is 100 times worse! While you may dislike (perhaps not a strong enough word) the Church, your children and grandchildren will be many times safer in a Catholic School. Think about it. Do you really want your grandchildren to be in an unsafe environment or in a much safer, although not totally safe environment?

OUR VIEW: Sex abuse still rampant in public schools (vote) | coach, jennifer, public - Opinion - Colorado Springs Gazette, CO

Originally Posted by chachacha

just some statistics which show how the catholic church saves the fed govt millions....it educates in the US alone, 2.6 million students every day, at a cost to parents and parishes of ten billion dollars a year...if these students went to public schools, it would cost the taxpayers 18 billion a year! in secondary education the church supports 230 colleges and universities, with 700,000 students of all religions going on to top careers which benefit our society. in health care, the non-profit catholic hospitals in this country (637 of them) provide the health care for one in five american patients every day... these statistics come from a new book, Rediscover Catholicism, which seeks to remind battered catholics of the wonderful things our church does for not only the united states but on a global scale for many millions of people.... so don't begrudge a tax exemption to an institution which provides much more and more efficiently than a government bureaucracy can!

chachacha: spot on. I find it interesting that some protest posters neglected to add other institutions schools, universities scouts, etc etc with their molester attacks on the Catholic Church alone. I agree that the Catholic Church was wrong but with the number of other enities and parents, etc, with whom we place trust engaged in this vile act it is clear that our society is doing a horrible job of protecting our young.

Secondily despite these criticisms I also find it interesting that parents if given the chance for school vouchers scamble for relgious schools. Perhaps it is to escape a decaying public school system that rather spend time for a "Day of Silence" to support the gay community rather than teaching basic writing reading and arithmetic.

I view myself as a nominal catholic however I also view myself as trying to be fair in my assesments and not containing my emotions when dealing with issues.

One final point I did a lot of employment recruiting in my day and it became clear that my counterparts and I recognized the same statistic. Most students who had attended catholic high schools by far went on to college and by the way the better colleges and universities in the country and that their scholastic standings were exemplary.

BBQ: The difference is as follows.

In the public schools, when there's abuse, someone is arrested and prosecuted.

In the Catholic schools, if you're the boss who facilitated it, you get to be suddenly "recalled to the Vatican" two days before a subpoena is due and get to claim "diplomatic immunity".

As far as Sharpton and what slot he took over - isn't it possible that the website containing the story might have been in the Mountain Time Zone - which IS at 6PM when it's 8PM in New York?

...just a thought

Originally Posted by njbchbum

i understood what janmcn intended - as well as i understand notlongnow's intention!

got nothing to add? - bug off!

Sorry to offend