Originally Posted by njbchbum

and cardinal dolan [and others] will make sure voters remember the democrats attack on the catholic church.

I know I will remember the Democrat's abuse of power in their attack on my Church.

I hope all Catholics do likewise. It's always been taught in the parochial schools I went to that we live and fight for "God and Country". The Democrats are trying to change that to "God OR Country". It's dastardly and un-American.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

and cardinal dolan [and others] will make sure voters remember the democrats attack on the catholic church.

We wouldn't be having this conversation if catholics would just abide by the Pope's edict and stop using birth control. Then nobody would have to be concerned with who's paying for them. And the Cardinals should just tell President Obama we don't want your stinkin' federal dollars for our schools, colleges and hospitals.

Not that it has much to do with the thread - but I have always wondered how Catholic women and men go against the Catholic church ban on birth control of any kind and I suppose during confession, they would have to confess to the priest that they have used birth control of some type. I thought the confession was only "valid" if the person would try not to do that sin again.

Does any Catholic person want to take that question? I am not trying to be a wiseguy - I am truly interested if a "repeated without trying to stop" sin is one that is forgiven by the priest.

Originally Posted by janmcn

We wouldn't be having this conversation if catholics would just abide by the Pope's edict and stop using birth control. Then nobody would have to be concerned with who's paying for them. And the Cardinals should just tell President Obama we don't want your stinkin' federal dollars for our schools, colleges and hospitals.

That would indeed be ideal, Jan. Then you wouldn't have these women asking the church to pay for their activities that are contrary to their own religious teaching.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

That would indeed be ideal, Jan. Then you wouldn't have these women asking the church to pay for their activities that are contrary to their own religious teaching.

And think of the money that would be saved if no federal dollars went to any religious school, college, or hospital.

....or if the Churches had to pay taxes on their donations.

I will not blindly follow the rules of any man-made organization including the catholic church. I do not want them butting into private choices I may make. Someone already mentioned excommunication for the sinners. Total garbage.Again man-made garbage. They should really clean up their act first .

The HHS edict mandates abortion, abortifacients and contraception. The Dems just mention the contraception part. I think people need to listen to Rush himself either live or on Podcast to hear what he really says, not what is reported by a third party like PMSNBC or the Huffington-Puffington Post. He did not so much call Fluke a slut as he said people like her were called sluts.

He said post the tapes as an example that if she wants us to pay for her pills, the American people should be able to see. He did not say he wanted to watch, quite the contrary. Her boyfriends should buy condoms, they are cheap.

A gynecologist called in and said the Ovaraian problems can and usually are treated without the pill. The drs. favorite saying, "loose weight".

Check out Rushlimbaugh.com and get what he says uncut.

Umm.. Even if I took the caller as being a gynecologist at face value, did you not pick up, as you yourself reported "usually" treated without? This means there are situations where it IS treated that way.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Not that it has much to do with the thread - but I have always wondered how Catholic women and men go against the Catholic church ban on birth control of any kind and I suppose during confession, they would have to confess to the priest that they have used birth control of some type. I thought the confession was only "valid" if the person would try not to do that sin again.

Does any Catholic person want to take that question? I am not trying to be a wiseguy - I am truly interested if a "repeated without trying to stop" sin is one that is forgiven by the priest.

I think the Hail Mary's required may just be increased with each violation.

As I said before, I certainly do not take what was originally posted as the truth. Remember, the birthers had their proof that Obama is really a Kenyan Muslim - and look how that turned out for them.

Until a reliable source posts that this was a fraud, I will not believe it.

Originally Posted by buggyone

As I said before, I certainly do not take what was originally posted as the truth. Remember, the birthers had their proof that Obama is really a Kenyan Muslim - and look how that turned out for them.

Until a reliable source posts that this was a fraud, I will not believe it.

Even if it is a fraud, this has put right wing supporters on notice that the civilized world will not tolerate this kind of hate displayed by the conservative movement.

"Sandra Kay Fluke (born April 17, 1981) is a Georgetown University law student, American feminist activist, and an ex-employee of a nonprofit advocating for victims of domestic violence."

"Before attending Georgetown, she graduated from Cornell University in 2003 and spent five years working for Sanctuary for Families, a New York-based nonprofit aiding victims of domestic violence. While working, she launched the agency's pilot Program Evaluation Initiative. She also co-founded the New York Statewide Coalition for Fair Access to Family Court, which successfully advocated for legislation granting access to civil orders of protection for unmarried victims of domestic violence, including LGBTQ victims and teens. Fluke was also a member of the Manhattan Borough President's Taskforce on Domestic Violence and numerous other New York City and New York State coalitions that successfully advocated for policy improvements impacting victims of domestic violence.[6] While at Georgetown University Law Center, she also worked on issues that involved domestic violence and human trafficking.[7]"

"She claimed that over the three years as a law student, birth control would cost an estimated $3,000. "

Sandra Fluke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Speaking as an ex-Catholic, with regards ot the 'confession' question earlier, I'd be hard pressed to figure out exactly which of the Ten Commandments I would be confessing to have broken.

I mean, so many are broken in the normal course of life for most people - taking the Lord's name in vain, not keeping the sabbath holy, coveting your neighbor's goods, etc. But I can't find one covering "going against Papal doctrine concerning brith control".

I thought about 'bearing false witness', but you're not necessarily lying to anyone about it - especially if you don't mention it at all. Stretching it even further, if you did a self-imposed ban on receiving the eucharist because of a feeling that you were not a "Catholic in Good Standing" (for going against the Pope), that's still not something that you can attribute to a Commandment.