It is sad that the Catholic church has been fooled in the past. Let's hope that they can draw the line in the sand and stand before it is too late.
If there are more like Rick Santorum in the pews, there may be lots of hope!

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

It is sad that the Catholic church has been fooled in the past. Let's hope that they can draw the line in the sand and stand before it is too late.
If there are more like Rick Santorum in the pews, there may be lots of hope!

Our only retaliation is in the collection, especially Cardinal's Appeal. Have written to the Cardinal that he needs to publicly announce that the pro-abortion politcians can not receive Holy Communion since they excommunicated themselves. Not to do so brings scandal and disrespect to Christ. But many are afraid of losing tax exempt status.

Then we have Sister Carol Keehan, head of Catholic Hospital's Association. Sister has been a strong backer of Obamacare. I wonder what her parents would have thought. I worked with her mother years ago before she retired to the Tampa, FL area, her father was the Station Postmaster. Sister Keehan used to be cloistered, she should have stayed cloistered.

Originally Posted by JimJoe

I am just blown away how President Obama thinks he has the right to tell religious organizations that they must provide birth control including sterilization and morning after pills, and when they object and the heat gets too hot for him to handle, he has the gall to
ORDER private businesses to provide the products and services FREE.
I am still in shock that in this free country people still think he has the right to ORDER me to buy ONLY the type of insurance that HE thinks I should have.
Who the heck does he think he is.
IMPEACH HIM.
JJ

Who the hell do you think you are telling any women she cannot protect her body from an unwanted pregnancy? You Republican's rail against government intrusion until you get into office and then the attacks on women start. Just look at all the anti-abortion across the country in Red states.

Does the Catholic Church pay for boner medication? Most likely so....Hypocrites!!!!

Originally Posted by cologal

Who the hell do you think you are telling any women she cannot protect her body from an unwanted pregnancy? You Republican's rail against government intrusion until you get into office and then the attacks on women start. Just look at all the anti-abortion across the country in Red states.

Does the Catholic Church pay for boner medication? Most likely so....Hypocrites!!!!

Please read what YOU just wrote. Where did I say any woman cannot protect her body from unwanted pregnancy. Liberals always miss the point.
The point is the President has no authority to ORDER a private business to provide the medication and service FREE. That is Dictatorship.
Women have every right to contraception. If they want to PAY for a health care policy that covers contraception.. that is fine with me. Same thing with Viagra.
Now do you understand?
JJ

Originally Posted by Bavarian

Our only retaliation is in the collection, especially Cardinal's Appeal. Have written to the Cardinal that he needs to publicly announce that the pro-abortion politcians can not receive Holy Communion since they excommunicated themselves. Not to do so brings scandal and disrespect to Christ. But many are afraid of losing tax exempt status.

Then we have Sister Carol Keehan, head of Catholic Hospital's Association. Sister has been a strong backer of Obamacare. I wonder what her parents would have thought. I worked with her mother years ago before she retired to the Tampa, FL area, her father was the Station Postmaster. Sister Keehan used to be cloistered, she should have stayed cloistered.

The line item for wafers and wine can be drastically reduced.

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Please read what YOU just wrote. Where did I say any woman cannot protect her body from unwanted pregnancy. Liberals always miss the point.
The point is the President has no authority to ORDER a private business to provide the medication and service FREE. That is Dictatorship.
Women have every right to contraception. If they want to PAY for a health care policy that covers contraception.. that is fine with me. Same thing with Viagra.
Now do you understand?
JJ

We can agree on the boner medication point....however most Americans get healthcare from their employers.... And that's the rub. Birth control pills are used for other conditions than contraception. But the Catholic Bishops have a zero tolerance for their use.

Women should have to pay for this medication, as we all do for ours, but the Bishops made the point they should not have to PAY due to their beliefs. If these women work for a Catholic hospital they should have access to healthcare which includes this medication....

Originally Posted by cologal

We can agree on the boner medication point....however most Americans get healthcare from their employers.... And that's the rub. Birth control pills are used for other conditions than contraception. But the Catholic Bishops have a zero tolerance for their use.

Women should have to pay for this medication, as we all do for ours, but the Bishops made the point they should not have to PAY due to their beliefs. If these women work for a Catholic hospital they should have access to healthcare which includes this medication....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The President doesn't have the authority to do what you want. There are limitations to what the President can force private citizens to do. There is freedom of religion. There is freedom of speech.

Thank the founders, and thank God for that.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The President doesn't have the authority to do what you want. There are limitations to what the President can force private citizens to do. There is freedom of religion. There is freedom of speech.

Thank the founders, and thank God for that.

We call this statement projection....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The founders started this country with a simple principle...FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You can't change that...you can't impose your religion on me or anyone else. The Catholic Bishops can't force their religious principles on their employee's. That is what they are trying to do.

These drugs are used for things other than contraception however the Catholic bishops have a zero tolerance for there use. The church has always stated that sex is for procreation NOT recreation....that is why gay relationships are, to use their phrase, imperfect. With that logic in place then the Church should ban the use of and payment for boner medication for men of a certain age.

The Republican party is not satisfied with trying to ban abortions and the morning after pill, now they are going after birth control. To coin your phrase it is an all out war on women!!!!!!

Guess you think all women should be barefoot and pregnant.

Originally Posted by cologal

We call this statement projection....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The founders started this country with a simple principle...FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You can't change that...you can't impose your religion on me or anyone else. The Catholic Bishops can't force their religious principles on their employee's. That is what they are trying to do.

These drugs are used for things other than contraception however the Catholic bishops have a zero tolerance for there use. The church has always stated that sex is for procreation NOT recreation....that is why gay relationships are, to use their phrase, imperfect. With that logic in place then the Church should ban the use of and payment for boner medication for men of a certain age.

The Republican party is not satisfied with trying to ban abortions and the morning after pill, now they are going after birth control. To coin your phrase it is an all out war on women!!!!!!

Guess you think all women should be barefoot and pregnant.

This is without a doubt, one of the most ridiculous posts on this forum!

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

This is without a doubt, one of the most ridiculous posts on this forum!

Nice....

You think that birth control pills are not used for other medical conditions?

Or you think that the Catholic Bishops can force their beliefs on employee's?

Women should have to pay for this medication, as we all do for ours, but the Bishops made the point they should not have to PAY due to their beliefs. If these women work for a Catholic hospital they should have access to healthcare which includes this medication....

Is there actually a recorded case of a women being denied there medication in the last 20 years? Hell you can buy it in a vending machine now. You can have it mailed to you through the internet, you can get it from planned parent hood and your doctor. This is about getting it free for the left and government staying out of religion for the right.
All this, " republicans want to take womens health care rights away" is lefty BS.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

Is there actually a recorded case of a women being denied there medication in the last 20 years? Hell you can buy it in a vending machine now. You can have it mailed to you through the internet, you can get it from planned parent hood and your doctor. This is about getting it free for the left and government staying out of religion for the right.
All this, " republicans want to take womens health care rights away" is lefty BS.

So Rick Stantorum didn't say this:

In an interview with Jake Tapper on ABC News, Santorum reiterated his opposition to the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling that prevented Connecticut from banning contraception.“The state has a right to do that, I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that," he said. "It is not a constitutional right. The state has the right to pass whatever statutes they have. That's the thing I have said about the activism of the Supreme Court--they are creating rights, and it should be left up to the people to decide."

There goes the lefty BS line......

Don't really see how this changes anything.

Contraception should not be a constitutional right it should be left to the individual to decide it not the government.
Pretty obscure quote to apply to this.

I don't feel anybody should be passing laws one way or the other to decide who gets what in health care.

This should ALWAYS be a personal right, not mandated, not denied!

The BS still exists about the "right" trying to take womens health care rights away. It is hyped because it helps the cause. When the left is done using women to push their agenda they will drop them and move on to the next group of Americans they can use for their cause, what ever it is.
Where is your outrage when it comes to government trampling on religious rights that are actually part of the constitution.

Originally Posted by cologal

We call this statement projection....

You can believe what you want to believe and no one can make you do otherwise. You, on the other hand want to force your opinion on the beliefs of others.

The founders started this country with a simple principle...FREEDOM OF RELIGION. You can't change that...you can't impose your religion on me or anyone else. The Catholic Bishops can't force their religious principles on their employee's. That is what they are trying to do.

These drugs are used for things other than contraception however the Catholic bishops have a zero tolerance for there use. The church has always stated that sex is for procreation NOT recreation....that is why gay relationships are, to use their phrase, imperfect. With that logic in place then the Church should ban the use of and payment for boner medication for men of a certain age.

The Republican party is not satisfied with trying to ban abortions and the morning after pill, now they are going after birth control. To coin your phrase it is an all out war on women!!!!!!

Guess you think all women should be barefoot and pregnant.

Now you're just getting hysterical, and it's unseemly. You are much smarter than this post indicates.

No one is preventing a woman from getting contraceptive medicine.

BUT, no one can force the Roman Catholic Church to pay for it.

Originally Posted by cologal

So Rick Stantorum didn't say this:

In an interview with Jake Tapper on ABC News, Santorum reiterated his opposition to the Supreme Court’s 1965 ruling that prevented Connecticut from banning contraception.“The state has a right to do that, I have never questioned that the state has a right to do that," he said. "It is not a constitutional right. The state has the right to pass whatever statutes they have. That's the thing I have said about the activism of the Supreme Court--they are creating rights, and it should be left up to the people to decide."

There goes the lefty BS line......

Please provide a link so I can see the context of your claim.

I really do not see however what Santorum or the religious position against contraception has anything to do with my objection to our President (NOT our dictator) ORDERING a private business to provide goods and services FREE. Where does he get that authority? I totally agree with you that contraction should be the choice of the individual.

And worse yet, NOTHING is free.. His solution is to ORDER a business to give it to the objecting Catholics FREE which will mean that company will get that money from the non objectors to pay for the FREE objectors coverage. THAT is NOT fair.

Why not just say policies can include contraction or not, choice of the BUYER?
JJ