Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Doesn't matter when any particular person thinks that life begins. Here's the deal-female's egg(living cells with distinct DNA) meet male's sperm (living cells with distinct but different DNA). The merge produces other living cells with distinct DNA that is different from either one of the original. Note-nothing has died here in this process, hence the new organism is alive too, hence LIFE! The question is not when life begins...The question is-who has the right to stop these living cells from living... Also Originally posted by Bucco "This is NOT a religious issue except in the minds of a few" My point exactly!

With respect to your views the Jewish religion doesn't believe that life begins at conception. I learned that while working at Rose Medical Center in Denver. I talked to my priest about doing the lab work for these cases.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Doesn't matter when any particular person thinks that life begins. Here's the deal-female's egg(living cells with distinct DNA) meet male's sperm (living cells with distinct but different DNA). The merge produces other living cells with distinct DNA that is different from either one of the original. Note-nothing has died here in this process, hence the new organism is alive too, hence LIFE! The question is not when life begins...The question is-who has the right to stop these living cells from living... Also Originally posted by Bucco "This is NOT a religious issue except in the minds of a few" My point exactly!

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

So, you think it should be the law of the land to kill babies in the name of birth control? How sick is that?

I noticed no response to the Tiller question....so you agree that this killing was ok?

Originally Posted by cologal

OMG you mean we don't have freedom of religion? I must be reading the wrong constitution.

we have freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

God is very important to our republic. It is God from whom we obtain our inalienable rights. It is up to the government to protect and ensure that we retain those inalienable rights.

If we were to accept the atheist point of view there is no God then we would be eliminating the guarantor of our rights. This would mean that government is the source of our rights and that they would be free to take them away or give them at will.

I'll go with God.

Originally Posted by cologal

I noticed no response to the Tiller question....so you agree that this killing was ok?

Tis very certain the desire of life prolongs it. ~Lord Byron

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

It is in there somewhere. You don't see any state-run churches do you? Sheeeesh.

The problem is that we have Church run States

Originally Posted by cologal

I noticed no response to the Tiller question....so you agree that this killing was ok?

Absolutely not! as I said, the question is who has the right to take the life of a living thing or being! But to murder him? No...two wrongs never make a right. Do i think that by performing abortions that he was performing the act of murder? Absolutely! The man was a physician, he knew that was a life he was stopping.
In regards to what any particular Jewish medical professional or medical facility believes about when life begins, apparently they are wrong...

Originally Posted by The Villager II

The problem is that we have Church run States

Now that's just utter nonsense. Back that up.

I have a question for all you atheist. How can you not believe in something unless you believe that it actually exists, therefore there must be something to believe in order for you not to believe.

cocogal - what name was used or did you get called?

Originally Posted by CMANN

God is very important to our republic. It is God from whom we obtain our inalienable rights. It is up to the government to protect and ensure that we retain those inalienable rights.

If we were to accept the atheist point of view there is no God then we would be eliminating the guarantor of our rights. This would mean that government is the source of our rights and that they would be free to take them away or give them at will.

I'll go with God.

I am amazed how far off this blog got from my original post, This could be deemed government in action. This is really wild. I guess I missed something

Originally Posted by CMANN

God is very important to our republic. It is God from whom we obtain our inalienable rights. It is up to the government to protect and ensure that we retain those inalienable rights.

If we were to accept the atheist point of view there is no God then we would be eliminating the guarantor of our rights. This would mean that government is the source of our rights and that they would be free to take them away or give them at will.

I'll go with God.

The thread title is "Why is this happening?". People are responding to that question. It's not "off topic" to discuss how our elected "leaders" have strayed far from admitting that it is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who is the giver and guarantor of our inalienable right to freedom, as the signers of the Declaration and Lincoln clearly affirmed:

"Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defense, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore.

Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battlefield; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom.

No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy.

It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens.

And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union."

--Abraham Lincoln, 1863


http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/thanks.htm

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

Tis very certain the desire of life prolongs it. ~Lord Byron

So you do believe the killing of Tiller was justified. I will never understand that logic.

Originally Posted by CMANN

we have freedom of religion not freedom from religion.

This confuses me.. I am mandated to have a religion? By what law?

Originally Posted by cologal

This confuses me.. I am mandated to have a religion? By what law?

No mandates. Just the freedom to choose who or what you want to worship. Basically, they crossed the pond to escape the state run churches.