Originally Posted by Pats2010

Romney is a formidable candidate. Very smart and has tons of executive experience.

I heard in a video where it took 43 presidents 2 centuries to accumulate 5 trillion national dept.
The dept will now double in 5 years and triple in 10 years.

Surely, the republicans can drive that home.

But SOON, they must begin to tell their story on WHAT they can do and HOW they will do it. All that rhetoric is not going to get Republicans elected.

This November, some will be elected just as anti Washington votes, but assuming this thread is on 2012, they better get busy with the issues. Romney is always a man who seems to stay on issues and stays away from the fluff. THAT is what the Republican party AND the country needs !

PS: I might add I tried to start a thread on what to do on the deficit and got no takers. We better soon concentrate on solutions !!! If you read the archives on this forum you will find NOBODY more opposed to this administration, HOWEVER, you will not have an alternative elected with bumper stickers and sayings !

It will be the GOP's to lose: come up with a viable, intelligent, articulate candidate and they have a shot; come up with a knee-jerk, anti-everything & no positive agenda person and they lose. The GOP has too many retreads continually seeking office...in spite of continual losses. They need a new face...admittedly, I have no specific suggestion at this time.

Originally Posted by dklassen

I don't think he has a prayer in 2012. The mode he seems to lack is the American mode. It's fairly obvious he is anti-America. People know that now and the democrats will pay in November and again in 2012.

I agree 100%. His biggest interest is his legacy, not what's good for this country. He obviously favors the Muslims. He has a knack for doing opposite what the American public wants. I don't think he doesn't get it, I really think he just doesn't care what the public wants, as he puts himself above everyone else. Just watch him in public and see the arrogance he shows.

Originally Posted by Shimpy

I agree 100%. His biggest interest is his legacy, not what's good for this country. He obviously favors the Muslims. He has a knack for doing opposite what the American public wants. I don't think he doesn't get it, I really think he just doesn't care what the public wants, as he puts himself above everyone else. Just watch him in public and see the arrogance he shows.

Again, I have opposed this President from the beginning but I must say that you are doing EXACTLY what you criticize the Democrats for doing.....I agree they blame everything on Bush and use anti Bush as much as possible, but I ask you to step away a bit and see what is happening right now with the GOP...it is all about anti Obama...fine, but they have to get with it on their plans and stop with all the unfettered rhetoric.

This from an ANTI Obama.....and conservative. I am just saying. The GOP will NOT win in 2012 by simply saying Obama is arrogant, which he is, but that is not an issue and this country needs answers. I do not believe this man or this administration has them because they have their own road map.....but that organization will get out the vote !

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

He may get re-elected. Just depends on who the Republicans can put up against him in 2012. Or, maybe, Hillary Clinton will take another shot at the Presidency.

WOW!!! Now there's a potential candidate that would listen to the people and serve them well. Wouldn't that be great!!!! Go Hillary!!!!

Right now I plan to vote for Obama if he runs in 2012, but it don't look good for him to win again.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Again, I have opposed this President from the beginning but I must say that you are doing EXACTLY what you criticize the Democrats for doing.....I agree they blame everything on Bush and use anti Bush as much as possible, but I ask you to step away a bit and see what is happening right now with the GOP...it is all about anti Obama...fine, but they have to get with it on their plans and stop with all the unfettered rhetoric.

This from an ANTI Obama.....and conservative. I am just saying. The GOP will NOT win in 2012 by simply saying Obama is arrogant, which he is, but that is not an issue and this country needs answers. I do not believe this man or this administration has them because they have their own road map.....but that organization will get out the vote !

Well, the anti-Bush campaign got Obama elected, so we steal their playbook and be anti-Obama to get a Republican elected.

Tit for tat.

I'll stand by my prediction. Obama will loose in 2012 and loose big. Bookmark it.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Well, the anti-Bush campaign got Obama elected, so we steal their playbook and be anti-Obama to get a Republican elected.

Tit for tat.

Dont count on it. If Obama does not run in 2012, Hillary Clinton probably will and there goes the Right Wing dreams again.

Originally Posted by Topper1

Dont count on it. If Obama does not run in 2012, Hillary Clinton probably will and there goes the Right Wing dreams again.

Not really. Clinton is part of the Obama team, so we'll still run against Obama.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Well, the anti-Bush campaign got Obama elected, so we steal their playbook and be anti-Obama to get a Republican elected.

Tit for tat.

You are being EXTREMELY naive

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are being EXTREMELY naive

Explanation requested. How naive was "Hope and Change"?

I think the economy and the jobless rate will be a big determination on election day, just as it was with the Carter defeat. Jimmy Carter was perceived as weak on defense and clueless about the economy. Many compare Obama with Carter.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Explanation requested. How naive was "Hope and Change"?

Not sure what you want from me. Even I would abstain from voting if the GOP ticket had a platform of "We hate Obama". That is not going to solve any of the problems facing this country !

Earlier I mentioned Romney and I did so because I think he is a candidate that can keep on message without going to the level you suggest.

Your reference to "hope and change" is somewhat puzzling as I do not have any idea what that statement of yours means.

Listen, I oppose this administration probably more than you...read the archives...I have been insulted, etc because I opposed him, HOWEVER, my country comes first...we need problems solved. This administration is not going to do it.......I want a change...BUT I want that change to have a plan to get this country moving again.....and simply spouting anti Obama slogans is not going to solve any problems !!!

Originally Posted by Pats2010

I think the economy and the jobless rate will be a big determination on election day, just as it was with the Carter defeat. Jimmy Carter was perceived as weak on defense and clueless about the economy. Many compare Obama with Carter.

Now you are talking about THIS November...not 2012 and if you are going to change the subject, I would agree with you that it will be about the economy, but how we do it.....have offered a few suggestions and wondering what you might have !!!

PS: Keep in mind, as pointed out in todays Wall St Journal, the Tea Party movement was born as a protest against the last few years of the Bush administration as well as the beginning of the Obama tenure !