Originally Posted by Bucco

Not sure what you want from me. Even I would abstain from voting if the GOP ticket had a platform of "We hate Obama". That is not going to solve any of the problems facing this country !

Earlier I mentioned Romney and I did so because I think he is a candidate that can keep on message without going to the level you suggest.

Your reference to "hope and change" is somewhat puzzling as I do not have any idea what that statement of yours means.

Listen, I oppose this administration probably more than you...read the archives...I have been insulted, etc because I opposed him, HOWEVER, my country comes first...we need problems solved. This administration is not going to do it.......I want a change...BUT I want that change to have a plan to get this country moving again.....and simply spouting anti Obama slogans is not going to solve any problems !!!

Look, first things first. Nobody can do anything until Obama and his accomplices are removed from office. This thread was started to speculate whether Obama will be a one or two term president.
I have read many of your posts about Obama's agenda. (at least I think it was you) The first step in helping our country is to get it back on track. Repealing Obamacare, fiscal sanity, restoring our respect abroad, continuing Bush's tax rates etc.,etc. To do that we have to take over congress. Once the Obama damage is under control and reversed, we then can look for his replacement for 2012.
I hope I'm making a little sense?

Originally Posted by Pats2010

Look, first things first. Nobody can do anything until Obama and his accomplices are removed from office. This thread was started to speculate whether Obama will be a one or two term president.
I have read many of your posts about Obama's agenda. (at least I think it was you) The first step in helping our country is to get it back on track. Repealing Obamacare, fiscal sanity, restoring our respect abroad, continuing Bush's tax rates etc.,etc. To do that we have to take over congress. Once the Obama damage is under control and reversed, we then can look for his replacement for 2012.
I hope I'm making a little sense?

Oh I understand......just making the point that he WILL be reelected in 2012 UNLESS the GOP has a plan, and has shown from this November till then (assuming they have a much bigger voice than the Dems) that they can execute a plan.

NOBODY is going to get elected simply by bashing the other guy and while I disagree with almost everything this administration is doing (I tried to tell folks what was going to happen) and want it ousted....WORDS, SLOGANS are not going to accomplish that.

As I said, the Tea Party movement did not spring up JUST because of Obama...it included the last years of the Bush administration and there has to be a change in attitude on the part of the GOP because they simply cannot just throw their hats in the ring and win.

I was the most negative person on this board concerning this guy and his administration and still feel the same way, but NOW there are issues that need to be addressed. At least that is how I feel.......I opposed this guy based on his lack of experience and his training and involvement with questionable characters.

He has shown his inexperience and how he feels based on training and I continue to oppose him, but even those who oppose him have got to credit the left for coming up with a very dynamite campaign and got the voters out. He won because many just did not vote. Do not overlook the power of the organization that has been put together

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh I understand......just making the point that he WILL be reelected in 2012 UNLESS the GOP has a plan, and has shown from this November till then (assuming they have a much bigger voice than the Dems) that they can execute a plan.

NOBODY is going to get elected simply by bashing the other guy and while I disagree with almost everything this administration is doing (I tried to tell folks what was going to happen) and want it ousted....WORDS, SLOGANS are not going to accomplish that.

As I said, the Tea Party movement did not spring up JUST because of Obama...it included the last years of the Bush administration and there has to be a change in attitude on the part of the GOP because they simply cannot just throw their hats in the ring and win.

I was the most negative person on this board concerning this guy and his administration and still feel the same way, but NOW there are issues that need to be addressed. At least that is how I feel.......I opposed this guy based on his lack of experience and his training and involvement with questionable characters.

He has shown his inexperience and how he feels based on training and I continue to oppose him, but even those who oppose him have got to credit the left for coming up with a very dynamite campaign and got the voters out. He won because many just did not vote. Do not overlook the power of the organization that has been put together

Wow. Posts like the last three by Bucco has caught my attention. With enough attitudes like this, I will be looking close at my candidate of choice in 2012. Well Said Bucco.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Oh I understand......just making the point that he WILL be reelected in 2012 UNLESS the GOP has a plan, and has shown from this November till then (assuming they have a much bigger voice than the Dems) that they can execute a plan.

NOBODY is going to get elected simply by bashing the other guy and while I disagree with almost everything this administration is doing (I tried to tell folks what was going to happen) and want it ousted....WORDS, SLOGANS are not going to accomplish that.

As I said, the Tea Party movement did not spring up JUST because of Obama...it included the last years of the Bush administration and there has to be a change in attitude on the part of the GOP because they simply cannot just throw their hats in the ring and win.

I was the most negative person on this board concerning this guy and his administration and still feel the same way, but NOW there are issues that need to be addressed. At least that is how I feel.......I opposed this guy based on his lack of experience and his training and involvement with questionable characters.

He has shown his inexperience and how he feels based on training and I continue to oppose him, but even those who oppose him have got to credit the left for coming up with a very dynamite campaign and got the voters out. He won because many just did not vote. Do not overlook the power of the organization that has been put together

The last years of the Bush administration were run by Democrats.

Obama won because he duped the blacks,latinos and sheep democrats by lying to them with emotional lies.

Obama will not be serving a second term because the liberal machine will not pick him to run. they will pick someone with a better chance of winning; maybe Hillary.

Originally Posted by cashman

The last years of the Bush administration were run by Democrats.

Obama won because he duped the blacks,latinos and sheep democrats by lying to them with emotional lies.

Obama will not be serving a second term because the liberal machine will not pick him to run. they will pick someone with a better chance of winning; maybe Hillary.

I agree Cashman but he also received the "guilty white" votes, too. By "guilty" I might be using the wrong word but many whites felt that they should vote for the "first black" candidate and didn't really dig into his background.
My usually conservative sister-in-law voted for him because he "talked good" I kid you not!!!!

With short-memories and even shorter attention spans to read and understand the issues and comprehend what is happening in this country, I'm afraid the American people will vote more Progressives into office this November and again in 2012.

Progressives come in many shapes and sizes and with many different labels. Whether under the banner of Democrat or Republican, we have to make our best attempt to learn about the candidates' past, present and goals for the future of this country. Learn about what groups support the candidates.

For instance, who supports the Progressive agenda and Obama? I don't agree with the goal or platform of the supporters of the Progressives. The Communist Party USA, the LGBT, SEIU, AFL-CIO, The Open Society Institute, the Progressive Democrats of America, the Congressional Progressive Caucus..what are their beliefs and goals?

The issue, to me at least, isn't Republican or Democrat.

How much more control and freedoms are we willing to give up to the federal government? Obama has an agenda that is spelled out. Do you know what his goals are for these issues? Do you know who will pick up the torch and carry through with this agenda if Obama isn't re-elected?

I agree that the progressives don't seem to get the kind of "high profile" type of publicity that the two predominant parties receive. They are a major force and have infiltrated all the parties, unions, media etc.,etc.
Sadly, I have brought up the name "progressive" in conversations and many people have no idea what I'm talking about. Name recognition could be a problem?

Same party! Same agenda!

Most certainly more BUSINESS as usual in Washington.

She has a "baggage" factor loaded with you owe me that will do nothing but compromise a given issue.

The 2008 election was won due to Republican apathy (not voting), Obama lies and false promises and personality (I personally don't see).

We don't need another personality contestant for POTUS. We do not need more of the same in Washington. All one has to do is witness the ongoing disaster created by the 2008 election.

btk

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Originally Posted by Pats2010

I agree that the progressives don't seem to get the kind of "high profile" type of publicity that the two predominant parties receive. They are a major force and have infiltrated all the parties, unions, media etc.,etc.
Sadly, I have brought up the name "progressive" in conversations and many people have no idea what I'm talking about. Name recognition could be a problem?

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In the 2010 and the 2012 elections corruption at the voting booths may decide the winners.

We have a problem facing us from various Liberal Democrat affiliates like Acorn, Black Panthers, ACLU, Soros, etc, etc, etc.