[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.

So you have stated that "pollution causes Global Cooling". Why do I NOT read about that when I read scientific articles about climate???? Basically you are telling me that all those scientists that are incredibly worried about the RAPID increase of Global Warming are somehow being paid around the world to create a Climate HOAX. Why is it that the heads of the United Nations are worried about man made Global Warming. Are you saying that your little local Climate Club knows more than the UN ?????? That is some SERIOUS straying away from the facts as presented before the United Nations.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases. I have to laugh at the way a few people justify their Global Warming denials by saying that the EPA is wrong and all the world's climate scientists are wrong ssssooo all the world should forget their KNOWLEDGE about Global Warming and look to one small, insignificant club in The Villages for the REAL low down principles of Global Warming-----------as in Tonga, Tonga, Tonga.
......Riddle me this all you Climate Tonga Batmen----------Tonga happened in 2022.....and you-all Climate Batmen say that it CAUSED Global Warming. Why then is it so easy for me to Google a chart of recent WORLD temperature and CLEARLY see that the temperature INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY beginning in the last 30 years. And that is further backed up by glacier melting in the last 30 years and Coral Reef destruction and species going extinct and many other facts. Also look at the world population graph rising SHARPLY in the last 50 years. Would anyone believe that those many people on the Earth would NOT AFFECT GLOBAL WARMING?

The EPA is wrong when it declared CO2 a pollutant. Two years after the EPA finding, their new Inspector General (the IG) said the EPA broke 2 of their own internal laws. 1 - They failed to follow an independent peer-review process during the investigation. 2 - They failed to make public the technical findings about CO2. Not only did the EPA go rouge during this 2009 ruling, but they later declared they are above the law and refuse to respond to FOIA requests by those demanding to see the "technical findings" which the EPA continues to hide from the public.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Higher water temps cause more water to be available to be held in the air, the air temp must also be higher to hold more water. Both bring higher are needed.

All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.

If that was true, I would expect you would be one leading the charge against pollution in all it forms, from fossil fuel to cow farts and habitat destruction since you stated cold kills more people than heat. You should be an environmentalist.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

You are welcome SaucyJim. Green energy offers so many advantages, like the terrific 4th of July displays as illustrated in this short video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

So, am I to infer that from the hail damaged solar panels and the burning windmills that The US should NOT engage in the concept of GREEN ENERGY. So, then we should depend on oil, gas, and coal. In other words, we take all technology BACKWARDS. That is interesting and explains a lot. AS in just a general anti-science philosophy. Which would make the whole concept of Global Warming to be somehow - something to be ignored.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser

All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

If it's too late why are you still able to post comments? Why is there record rain in the Sahara? Why is there record cooling in the equatorial Atlantic? Why are you so happy to be here?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Ad litteram dixi ratione non est causatio

Utway usday atthay eenmay?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Easy, we still have glaciers and he said they would all be gone by 2015.



Why do the AGW faithful always pretend not believing man is magically the the main driver of the temp increase means people believe there is no warming? Care to answer?

Almost all who do not believe in AGW believe, instead, in nature. The world would be currently warming even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles show this clearly. They have been established scientific fact for decades.
They also show CO2 has lagged temp changes for the last 400,000 years, at least. CO2 has not been a driver of temp changes, but a result of them.

A graph of temperature for the last 30 years shows SIGNIFICANT temperature increases. That is easy to Google. MOST Climate Scientists believe that the temperature increases worldwide are caused by MAN.

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

If that was true, I would expect you would be one leading the charge against pollution in all it forms, from fossil fuel to cow farts and habitat destruction since you stated cold kills more people than heat. You should be an environmentalist.

I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by SaucyJim

The strange thing is that in those winds, all of those other windmills should be spinning to generate electricity, yet they sit idle.

Hmmm…

Maybe the load doesn't require all of them to be on-line all the time. Like a turo not being required when idling along at 25. Only kicks in when needed. There is a perfectly fine and rational answer if one bothers to look.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

There is some other solid evidence of this: The year 1816 is known as "the year without a summer"; the cause being the eruption of the Indonesian volcano Mt. Tambora. A study done through the University of Illinois (Tambora: the Eruption That Changed the World: Gillen D'Arcy Wood, illinois dot edu) summarized it pretty neatly when it states, in part, that:

When Indonesia's Mount Tambora erupted in 1815, it unleashed the most destructive wave of extreme weather the world has witnessed in thousands of years. The volcano’s massive sulfate dust cloud enveloped the Earth, cooling temperatures and disrupting major weather systems for more than three years. Communities worldwide endured famine, disease, and civil unrest on a catastrophic scale.

Here, Gillen D’Arcy Wood traces Tambora’s global and historical reach: how the volcano’s three-year climate change regime initiated the first worldwide cholera pandemic, expanded opium markets in China, and plunged the United States into its first economic depression.

This is far from the only example. Regarding the medieval Little Ice Age, in an article by BBC Environment correspondent Richard Black, quoted a study by an international research team "studied ancient plants from Iceland and Canada, and sediments carried by glaciers". The article concludes that:

"...a series of eruptions just before 1300 lowered Arctic temperatures enough for ice sheets to expand.

The new study, led by Gifford Miller at the University of Colorado at Boulder, US, links back to a series of four explosive volcanic eruptions between about 1250 and 1300 in the tropics, which would have blasted huge clouds of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere."

This climatic disruption negatively impacted populations worldwide. Crop failures resulting in famine and widespread starvation was just one such. According to a study by a NASA scientist: "The transition from a warm climate to the Little Ice Age in the early 14th Century, marked by heavy precipitation, may have set the stage for a series of plagues, including the Black Death". But it is what happened subsequently, when after a couple of hundred years or so Mother Earth warmed up again, that is interesting. One of the primary triggers of the Renaissance is attributed to precisely the warm-up following the Little Ice Age.

Historic climate trends have irrefutable results. Cooling baaaaad. Warming good.

I believe EVERYTHING stated here - a very impressive historic composition of Earth changes. What I propose is the ALL that happened BEFORE the world had the HUGE population increases that we have had in the last 50 years (there are graphs Of that). NOW we have a DIFFERENT world where the population is large enough and the availability of CO2 producing automobiles and locally of golf carts with zero pollution control - that availability worldwide is HUGE.
......We are living in a completely DIFFERENT situation than 150 years ago (before the invention of the automobile).
.......But, I DO appreciate your post!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

And yet the Milkanovitch Cycles still show the world would be warming even if humans never existed.

The important question is how much of the current warming is caused by humans. If a mere 1%, nothing we do can change the temp. If a massive 99%, then destroyingoves and causing misery is required.

So what is humanity's addition? No one ever says, except the liars who either claimed all of it or none of it. Know why? It falls into the margin of error for the calculations.

Now, new info may have increased our knowledge, so go ahead and tell us all of you know. How much of the temp rise is caused by humans and how much by the existing natural cycles? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5 percentile of that makes the math simpler.

Thanks!

Deciding that natural cycles caused the last 30 years of Global Warming (and man does't have much to do with it) - has the psychological advantage of having ZERO guilt when a person FIRES up their infernal combustion engine car or golf car. There is no guilt if you can PRETEND that your ICE usage is NORMAL and has ZERO bad effect on the environment and the lives of your next generation. (and anyway since you yourself are NOT a scuba diver, who cares if the Coral Reefs are dying) Just start those engines and let those STUPID Coral reefs DIE !!!!!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Easy, we still have glaciers and he said they would all be gone by 2015.



Why do the AGW faithful always pretend not believing man is magically the the main driver of the temp increase means people believe there is no warming? Care to answer?

Almost all who do not believe in AGW believe, instead, in nature. The world would be currently warming even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles show this clearly. They have been established scientific fact for decades.
They also show CO2 has lagged temp changes for the last 400,000 years, at least. CO2 has not been a driver of temp changes, but a result of them.

Yes, there are still a few glaciers left, but, like old rockers, a lot of them are gone and the rest have lost a lot of what made them awesome.

Man is not magically the main driver of temp increase. Stop saying that. Man's massive industrial boom and population explosion has, along with natural occurrences, added to and exacerbated the warming. Getting hotter faster, and that ain't good.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Milankovitch cycle (Obliquity) began cooling 8,000 years ago -- see purple line. Also notice CO2 is NOT a temperature control knob. Current warming is caused by the Bray and Eddy solar cycles - which will continue for about 100 more years -- and all discussed at the Weather Club. Current CO2 warming is so tiny it can't be measured -- it's irrelevant.

Strangely, your graphs mostly seem to DISPROVE your conclusions. On the far right CO2 is SPIKING upward as is the model temperatures line. But, it seems like a basically MESSY graph that is trying to put together TOO MANY variables.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

Why would you try to apply common sense to a conversation where none is welcome?

Like a few others here, I'm a glutton for punishment. And, it keeps me from going only 19 mph in the mmps.
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