[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Mr. Spock is/was a fictional character, figment of someone's imagination. Just keeping it real.

Mankind alone is not the cause of global warming. But, mankind's penchant for industry and our ability to destroy and reshape the land does indeed contribute to global warming. Over 8 Billion of us, along with all the cows, pigs, fish farms etc, peeing and pooping and farting everyday. Factories belching smoke and ash. Earthmovers reshaping the landscape and devastating habitats and resources. To think none of it matters or makes any difference? To me, that is illogical. Think of our "contribution" as the straw that broke the camel's back. There are, of course, natural forces in play. We all get that. But, the natural forces are getting help from us and are quickening pace.
For our own benefit, we should consider making changes in what we do, and how we do it.

Right, time to make changes. The government could tax gasoline MUCH more and use the proceeds to give cash incentives for people to buy E-vehicles and golf carts!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases. I have to laugh at the way a few people justify their Global Warming denials by saying that the EPA is wrong and all the world's climate scientists are wrong ssssooo all the world should forget their KNOWLEDGE about Global Warming and look to one small, insignificant club in The Villages for the REAL low down principles of Global Warming-----------as in Tonga, Tonga, Tonga.
......Riddle me this all you Climate Tonga Batmen----------Tonga happened in 2022.....and you-all Climate Batmen say that it CAUSED Global Warming. Why then is it so easy for me to Google a chart of recent WORLD temperature and CLEARLY see that the temperature INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY beginning in the last 30 years. And that is further backed up by glacier melting in the last 30 years and Coral Reef destruction and species going extinct and many other facts. Also look at the world population graph rising SHARPLY in the last 50 years. Would anyone believe that those many people on the Earth would NOT AFFECT GLOBAL WARMING?

I’ll join your club, if you'll let me.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Deciding that natural cycles caused the last 30 years of Global Warming (and man does't have much to do with it) - has the psychological advantage of having ZERO guilt when a person FIRES up their infernal combustion engine car or golf car. There is no guilt if you can PRETEND that your ICE usage is NORMAL and has ZERO bad effect on the environment and the lives of your next generation. (and anyway since you yourself are NOT a scuba diver, who cares if the Coral Reefs are dying) Just start those engines and let those STUPID Coral reefs DIE !!!!!

How much guilt do you feel when you fire up your ICE vehicle?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

The EPA is wrong when it declared CO2 a pollutant. Two years after the EPA finding, their new Inspector General (the IG) said the EPA broke 2 of their own internal laws. 1 - They failed to follow an independent peer-review process during the investigation. 2 - They failed to make public the technical findings about CO2. Not only did the EPA go rouge during this 2009 ruling, but they later declared they are above the law and refuse to respond to FOIA requests by those demanding to see the "technical findings" which the EPA continues to hide from the public.

Wow - just WOW !!! What a fool I have been. The EPA is wrong and The Villages Weather Club was RIGHT !!!!!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

If it's too late why are you still able to post comments? Why is there record rain in the Sahara? Why is there record cooling in the equatorial Atlantic? Why are you so happy to be here?

You misread. He didn't say it is too late. He said "it will be to late"!
Rain in the Sahara. Unusual, but not a first.
As for me, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be alive.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

That would be the RIGHT way and , incidentally, it IS the way they do it in Europe. In the US where greed often enters the picture, we engage in "clear cutting". Which translates into move in the huge equipment and cut down all the little trees in order to get to the big trees. Then the silt runs down to the nearest river and kills all the game fish leaving only catfish and carp...........yes, Sir that is the American way.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases.......

And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

And replant trees for that same purpose?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Climate change: Surging seas are coming for us all, warns UN chief

That link put our whole discussion in PERFECT perspective. I hope EVERYONE reads that. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

So you have stated that "pollution causes Global Cooling". Why do I NOT read about that when I read scientific articles about climate???? Basically you are telling me that all those scientists that are incredibly worried about the RAPID increase of Global Warming are somehow being paid around the world to create a Climate HOAX. Why is it that the heads of the United Nations are worried about man made Global Warming. Are you saying that your little local Climate Club knows more than the UN ?????? That is some SERIOUS straying away from the facts as presented before the United Nations.

The head of the UN??????SERIOUSLY????? Where did he get his doctorate in climatology?

And my dog knows more climatology than the UN

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

And all around the world there are record cold temperatures as well. Records were made to be broken.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A graph of temperature for the last 30 years shows SIGNIFICANT temperature increases. That is easy to Google. MOST Climate Scientists believe that the temperature increases worldwide are caused by MAN.

Most climate scientists have a choice of saying that or starving

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Wow - just WOW !!! What a fool I have been. The EPA is wrong and The Villages Weather Club was RIGHT !!!!!

Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I’ll join your club, if you'll let me.

Sure. We can invite all our friends and have a Tonga Party and dress up as water vapor and talk about global cooling and cool some brewskis to take as a peace offering to the Villages weather club and play DEVO records. And burn oil, gas and coal lamps and cut some firewood---------fun will be guaranteed for ALL.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Strangely, your graphs mostly seem to DISPROVE your conclusions. On the far right CO2 is SPIKING upward as is the model temperatures line. But, it seems like a basically MESSY graph that is trying to put together TOO MANY variables.

Exactly. The climate is messy. That's why NONE of the UN's IPCC climate models have ever been able to create a model than predict climate change. Worse yet, NONE can even replicate past climate changes. The UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change) is a scam.